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Kath-H
Inspiring
May 9, 2009
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Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

  • May 9, 2009
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Hasn't the scheduled time for the forum update been and gone? I see no breadcrumbs

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    Correct answer Ramón G Castañeda

    Kath-H wrote:

    I see no breadcrumbs

    I see them and love them already.  Very useful.   One major irritant is gone.

    Thank you John!   

    5 replies

    Inspiring
    May 10, 2009

    Now, there's also a time limit on when you can edit your posts. Whether it's time based or session based we have to discover. Probably time-based as i didn't have to log in this time.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 10, 2009

    jhabrix wrote:

    Now, there's also a time limit on when you can edit your posts.

    How do you figure that?  I see older posts of mine that are still editable right now.    

    Zeno Bokor
    Inspiring
    May 10, 2009

    you lose editing rights of your post when somebody replies to it, see? you can't edit your post anymore

    May 10, 2009

    I'm not taking sides in any arguments.  Absolutely not. But as far as I'm concerned the forums seem fine to me, at least recently. Pages are loading much faster.  I am on dial-up and things seem good even though I'm going back and forth from forum to forum.  And I have no need for scripts that are used to block anything.  While I believe the points thing is pointless I just ignore it.  Again, not taking sides, I'm just a happy, non paying forums user.  But then again, I think Photoshop is magical.

    Peace...

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 10, 2009

    Q Photo wrote:


    …as far as I'm concerned the forums seem fine to me, at least recently.  Pages are loading much faster.  I am on dial-up and things seem good even though I'm going back and forth from forum to forum.

    Everything is relative, Q.  If you're on dial-up, you may not notice the difference between these sluggish, hesitant new forums and the old WebCrossing forums when they were working properly, which was substantially more than half of the time.

    Over there, for me going from one page to another one, or from one forum to another one or posting, was as instantaneous as changing channels on the TV with the remote.  It took well under one second over there; the progress bar on Firefox did not even get a chance to draw on the screen.  Here I get to the see the bar progressing, hesitating at the end and finally drawing the page in three to five seconds at best, in over one minute at worst.  That interval was practically unmeasurable in the old forums.

    For me, the practical difference comes out to a ratio of 30:1.  I'm spending three times as much on these new forums as I used to on the old ones, yet I'm able to read and reply to only one tenth as many threads as before.  That is 30:1.

    The worst part here is posting.  The more active you are, the more you get punished; lurkers don't have it quite as bad.  I see you're mostly a lurker.

    When you post, you have to wait for the Reply Editor to appear and draw onscreen while you watch the forum's spinning gear, then the formatting bar draws on screen a bit later. Even as a miserable, lousy typist that I am, there are times when I have to wait for my typing to draw on screen; the delete key sometimes manages to delete only one character per second.  When you're done and hit Post, the wait can be anywhere from a few seconds to almost one minute.

    A few seconds are a lot longer than the unmeasurable fraction of a second it took in the old forums.

    The rest of the web is functioning very, very fast.  Visiting other forums and even some serious Uncle Sam pages where I have paid accounts, such as the Federal Judiciary's PACER a huge resource hog, is still like changing channels on a TV.

    Sure, there are some nice features here, like the ability to embed images and send attachments, and the quoting format.  Scripts and AdblockPlus have made it even more pleasant, improving the interface and even the performance.  I had feared the scripts and hacks would slow me down, but after performing many tests both ways, I have determined that I'm saving a tiny bit of time as the hidden elements have to be downloaded anyway but not drawn.  A pleasant surprise.

    At this point, only two items need fixing in my view:

    1.— The ability to go directly to the last post read (a biggie), and

    2.— The performance issues I just described in the preceding paragraphs of this post, also a BIG biggie.

    The spelling checker is a joke and very slow, but that can be worked around by using an external spelling checker.  I don't think it's worth for John Cornicello and his team to spend any time and effort to try to get Jive to fix the spelling checker.

    May 10, 2009

    It took this reply window 18 seconds to open and allow me to type.

    The backspace is still slow at a rate of about one character per 1/2 second.

    The thread itself (likely because of the number of posts?) took a good 22 seconds to load, just so I could read the last post.

    I am on FiOS broadband.  Other forums do not take this long to load.  I noticed the last thing to load was the right side panel.  I would imagine just geting rid of some of that fluff would speed things up considerably.

    I do thank you for the breadcrumbs at the bottom though. 

    edit:  it took 22 seconds to post the reply and be able to view it.

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Ramón G CastañedaCorrect answer
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2009

    Kath-H wrote:

    I see no breadcrumbs

    I see them and love them already.  Very useful.   One major irritant is gone.

    Thank you John!   

    Zeno Bokor
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2009

    i see them, and hate them because i can't remove them I'm probably the only one around here who doesn't go "back to where i came" when i finnished with a thread, i just close it's tab. Oh, and the placement of the bottom breadcrumbs is IMHO off, they're too distant from the last post

    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2009

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

    i see them, and hate them because i can't remove them

    Why not?

    Zeno Bokor
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2009

    finaly got it. It wasn't about selecting them but about distinguishing between the upper ones and the lower ones as i wanted to retain the upper breadcrumbs

    May 9, 2009

    They kind of ease their way on to the pages.


    I was wondering at first!