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May 9, 2013
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Does anybody like the idea of CC

  • May 9, 2013
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OK, lots of noise about CC (including from me - not happy!) but I am not seeing anybody making arguments in favour of it. No idea what those arguments would be (unless I were an Adobe executive of course), so I thought I'd start a thread so anybody who wants to express support for Adobe's move can do so...

...anyone?

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Participant
May 14, 2013

I'm just adding my use case to the pool.

I am a independent web developer and budding mobile app developer, I do both graphics and the programming, some months I don't need photoshop, some months its mostly photoshop, the problem is the times I only need Photoshop for minutes or hours here and there, to touch up or make creative changes. So, CC is expensive for me, because I'm not a specialist. ROI for CC is low for me, especially during the touch up phase. Perpetual license isn't cheap I know, but I have the peace of mind where I could decide to maybe upgrade once every n versions, or not, or buy Adobe Illustrator next round, there is a kind of peace of mind there, definitely very flexible.

If Adobe wants to push CC, it doesn't bother me whatsoever, but why kill the old licensing model altogether? Adobe has some of the best tools in the industry, with CC, they seem to only care for (I'll say) the central portion of the creative production industry, it does look like a decent arrangment, but the old licensing model solved the commitement problem for people who aren't full time creative production specialists, where they don't need as many of the tools, and only need these tools some of the time.

I do love my Photoshop CS6 and I very much like Adobe Bridge as a image manager, the UI is a bit dense in parts but ... anyway that's off topic.

Fingers crossed for Adobe bringing back the old licensing model, in addition to their push for the CC model.

Noel Carboni
Legend
May 14, 2013

dizzyed wrote:

why kill the old licensing model altogether?

Given the financial accounting model Adobe uses, the "perpetual license" model stifled Adobe's ability to roll out changes to the product.  They are not allowed to release anything but critical bugfixes that do not affect the outward functionality of the product. 

It's a LEGAL Issue, having to do with the way they state earnings.

Trying to develop a software package where everything's set in stone every year and a half AND develop a package where state-of-the-art features can be rolled out when they're ready is difficult, though most of us would say that it should be possible for a big, professional organization to manage.  I don't claim to understand all the subtleties of why the perpetual licensing model can't be maintained simultaneously, because of internal issues or legal issues or whatever - but maybe what we're seeing now is just a stepping stone to something better.

The cloud subscription model appears to allow Adobe to change the way they do releases without restating earnings and taking some kind of big hit on Wall Street. 

As usual, the law (and questionable past management decisions) get in the way of doing what makes sense.

The important thiing to keep in mind is that the reasoning behind all this rigamarole is more complicated than you think.

-Noel

Phillip M  Jones
Inspiring
May 14, 2013

I think the legal issue is a Red Herring. What difference does it make whether you add a new feature or make bug fixes.  The reasoning is they want to screw their marks with the least amount of effort and suck as much money out of their marks as possible.

Participating Frequently
May 13, 2013

I Happen to love Adobe Creative Cloud.

I Think it has Been great for me.

Phillip M  Jones
Inspiring
May 13, 2013

Glad you have the deep pockets, and the reliable Internet connection you need to use it. you are but one of a few.

May 13, 2013

While this does not apply to many, if you use more than 4 Adobe products it is probably a good deal. 

Inspiring
May 13, 2013

I'm no fan of our upgrade path because the CC.  My guess is Adobe's shareholders like the idea as do 500,000 subscribers.  I think Adobe may fix the file issue everyone is complaining about, but I seriously doubt they will go back to there being upgrades for perpetual license holders.  This is probably a done deal for Adobe and no turning back.  I'm already looking for alternatives no matter if there is a change to this bad decision.  I'm done with Adobe except for Acrobat unless it takes a hike to the CC as well.

Phillip M  Jones
Inspiring
May 13, 2013

There is no alternative to Acrobat unless you are windows user Microsoft has something equivalent but they don't make it for anything but windows.

Participant
May 11, 2013

It would be fine to have something in between the ‘one-app-abo’ and ‘all-apps-abo’. I use InDesign most and like to have the new 64 bit version very much. Would be nice to have something like the ‘Design Standard or Premium’.

the_wine_snob
Inspiring
May 11, 2013

There are some users (mostly "power-users"), who DO like the CC plan, and many make good points, to support their stand. One, X-platform licensing for a single CC subscription, another is the instant and constant updating.

However, it's probably not for everyone - myself included.

Having owned Adobe software for decades, and using much of that to make a nice living, I have been a big supporter, however do not see any advantages to me, with the CC licensing. For maybe the first time in my life, I am glad that I am old, and now retired, and have a perpetual license for CS 6. That will very likely be the end of the game for me.

Were this 2000, I would likely feel differently, and could possibly justify the new scheme. As it is, I will likely just be locked into a "time warp," and go with what I have now, and let others duke it out.

Hunt

John T Smith
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 11, 2013

>very likely be the end of the game for me

Ditto... CS5 Master Collection and Premiere Pro CS6... which, of course, has a major AVCHD bug that "may" be fixed

There is absolutely NO incentive for me to ever start a Cloud subscription

If the PPro CS6 bug is never fixed, I'll just install the PPro CS5.5 that was the basis for the CS6 upgrade

It will be "somewhat" of a hassle to uninstall CS6... but that is what I will do if the bug is never fixed

Noel Carboni
Legend
May 10, 2013

I think there is great potential in the Creative Cloud model, for one reason only...

With the prior "perpetual license" model, Adobe's accounting practices forbid them from making any improvements to software that's been released.  They simply CAN'T legally add improvements or features to it.  It CANNOT work differently.

Now, with a subscription membership model:

  • Adobe can run development projects that are not locked to the major release cycle, and roll them out to users when they are completed. 

  • They can make bugfixes that change the way the product works (a good recent example of that might have been the Crop Tool user interface).

I also have hope that the additional dollars coming in each month will enable funding of projects previously deemed "less important", such as someone going back and updating all the old filters to give them the ability to work on deep data (e.g., 16 or 32 bits/channel), or to improve the quality of the results.  Even to chase ALL the open bugs out of the system.

It's not obvious to people who haven't been in a corporate high tech development environment, but there ARE disadvantages to the business model Adobe has been following, and this may just be the thing that allows them to move up from that.  As a result, the product may become much better.

Call me an optimist... 

-Noel

May 10, 2013

Well you asked: "Does anybody like the idea of CC".  The short answer is sure.  Adobe likes it more than ever.  It brings in more revenues though it is not proven yet.  This is what they say:

All the tools you love.
Totally re-imagined.

Your favorite tools are about to get even better. Introducing Creative Cloud™ desktop applications, including Adobe® Photoshop® CC and Illustrator® CC. They're the next generation of CS tools. Get hundreds of all-new features. Keep your entire creative world in sync — files, feedback from team members, fonts, settings, and updates. And, as always, your applications live on your desktop, not in a browser and not in the cloud.

Please note when they say "feedback from team members" they also include free support from MVPs on these forums. What will you do without an MVP support?  Please note MVP does not mean "Most Valuable Pig"; nor does it mean "Most Valuable Pirate"  It means "Most Valuable Participator" who gets to your raw nerve to make you disappear from these forums.  We had a guy called Noel Carboni who was a real gent on Photoshop forums and now we have lost him.


Noel Carboni
Legend
May 10, 2013

professional.pirate wrote:

We had a guy called Noel Carboni who was a real gent on Photoshop forums and now we have lost him.

Thank you, but I am back, owing to a few tweaks to the forum software that have made it a little better, and my willingness to use a workaround (Compatibility View in IE) now.

-Noel

May 9, 2013

I started this discussion http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1208496?tstart=0  to see if a compromise between users and Adobe could be reached.  So far most of it is bitch, although Noel and I are on similar page with an exit strategy when you drop subscription.

Adam-CAuthor
Participating Frequently
May 9, 2013

It's a reasonably compromise - I could just-about live with that. It certainly addresses the problem of who owns the content of ones files. I also wondered about the possibility of inexpensive short-term rentals, and a better grading of prices from one package to multiple packages.

But this all feeds back into the complaint aboout Adobe's attitude - if there had been consultation or consideration of the users' needs then these compromises would have been put in place in time for the launch.

Also worth flagging-up: Here in the UK the introductory price is quoted as just under £50/month, whereas in the US it's just under $50/month - that makes it 25% more expensive in the UK. We're used to this from Adobe, but I thought this was meant to be a global cloud solution? Yes, datacentre costs differ blah blah... AWS have same prices for US and UK datacentres so I don't accept such arguments.

Phillip M  Jones
Inspiring
May 9, 2013

Also Many parts of of the world  Claudio for example Cloud computing is not available in his country.

They will lose tons of money all over the world from Countries That don't even have Internet access or at best PPP over POTS. Or Access is Taxed ohas fees that preclude most people from having Internet

John T Smith
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 9, 2013

There is a LONG discussion thread (nearing 600 messages) in a Premiere Pro sub-forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1205851 with "some" people saying they like the Cloud, for various reasons

I don't have an exact number (at least one of the messages in that thread has a count) but my "general" impression is "somewhere between" 10-to-20 percent of people posting to that thread like the Cloud

Of course, like any other forum discussion, there are a few people who are VERY vocal about things, and the rest who are not as vehement about the issue... whatever the current issue

Right now there is a lot of discussion... let's see the level and type of discussion in a month... six months... a year... and then we'll know if the Cloud is a success, or if Adobe has to do like Coke had to do with "new Coke" and the return of "Classic Coke"