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New forums suck

Forum|Forum|17 years ago
April 6, 2009
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I'm spiked at 99% CPU most of the time on this terrible crap forum--even just from moving the mouse over links.

I didn't complain about all the extra frilly stuff many people seemed to have a problem with, but...poor performance? That's a deal breaker.

This is why JAVASCRIPT, and "Jive" sucks. This is unusable for me on IE 7... come on now. (???) Only took about 15 minutes to get here and post this...

Here's an idea Adobe: go ahead and create a FLEX forum if you want fancy fancy RIA type functionality and ditch this Ajax/JS hack trash. It's not like you don't have the expertise in Flex here... and it could use the demonstration and publicity.

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ChivertonT

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Doesn't even work in WebKit (i.e. KDEs Konqueror). No matter what I set as the default editor type it never loads either of them. How can a comapny so 'into' the web get it so wrong ?

Phillip M Jones

Inspiring

Hmm haven't tried to go in Forums through Safari Its apple's verion of Konqueror. (Which is Webkit)

S_D_A_

Inspiring

Webkit is the based on KHTML Kongi which is KDE's browser is based on KHTML Google Chrome and Chromium, (which I'm using at present) both used WebKit which is Open Source. However Google and Chromium went one step further than Apple with Webkit and created a superfast javascript interperter called V8 which is blazingly fast on heavy javascript pages.

L

LRK 2

Known Participant

Hi Linda! Long time no hear.

Hey Graff! I trust you are well and still sailing…

Hi Rick,

I will give you this... You did a great job articulating the scenario. It does help bring perspective. However, I think most users would agree that the forums worked more efficiently the old way.

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Anonymous

Well I'm open to both web and nntp forums - no question nntp are much faster and easier to navigate. However I think this forum is like going back to IE6. I mean, come on, I've got to click through multiple pages to get to the last post? Why is there no link to click for "Today's Post"??? Anybody who actually wades through these post has too much time on their hands. But in spite of all of that - content is still king. And if the forums continue to get the quick responses from the regular "problem solvers" they will be OK - just slow and unintuitve.

Curt Wrigley

Inspiring

bobtimms wrote:
Why is there no link to click for "Today's Post"???

Its not a perfect workaround; but its better than scrolling from the top: Click on the link that says XX minutes ago rather than the Subject. That links you to the last post instead of the first post. Its usually faster to start at the bottom.

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Anonymous

Curt Wrigley wrote:

Its not a perfect workaround; but its better than scrolling from the top: Click on the link that says XX minutes ago rather than the Subject. That links you to the last post instead of the first post. Its usually faster to start at the bottom.

Well, duh! I've been doing that since this jive started.

Like I said, it's an initiative test!

L

LRK 2

Known Participant

Thanks Cindy. I'm sure we can get used to this new way in time, but right now it seems like a step backward, less convenient in several ways. But then I'm used to that happening. I face it every day that I use DW after having grown accustomed to GL. Having to take the long route for tasks that used to go quickly. Yes, I am getting quite used to going the other direction.

~graffiti

Legend

Hi Linda!

Long time no hear.

L

LRK 2

Known Participant

I posted the following in the Dreamweaver Forum. Maybe it's better said here?

I am still scratching my head over some of these changes. This new forum setup seems inefficient and difficult to keep track of. My preference was the original Adobe Forum setup. It was pretty close to what I would call the perfect forum setup. Professional, user friendly, and well thought out in so many ways. I can't for the life of me understand why Adobe would change to a setup like this for professionals. On the plus side, I will be keeping track of much fewer threads this way, so I won't waste as much time using the forums.

I also understand that Adobe removed the ability to use news readers. Whereas I don't use a news reader, I know that it is supposed to be a very efficient way for those who help others. Because I want to support our faithful Support base, I am in favor of requesting that Adobe give this feature back.

I keep trying to guess why change something that worked so well for so long was replaced. It wasn't broken; why did it need to be fixed? Now it's broken. Now it feels more like teenie bopper town than professional Adobe interaction. I guess the word is: Juvenile?

I get the feeling that Adobe needs to clean house. The captain of this ship doesn't seem to have a proper compass.

On another note, I would like to at least make one suggestion. It would be helpful if we could set our preferences to reverse the order of each thread, to where the last post is at the top, and so forth. This would at least prevent the continuous need to find the last page to see what has been posted.

Cindy-

Known Participant

Nice post Linda. I wish I could be so calm and level headed about it all.

DHLipman

Participating Frequently

I totally agree !

This SUCKS !

I want NNTP Access back !

DHLipman

Participating Frequently

I couldn't EDIT my post so I had to reply.

Now I am getting all these emails of people replying.

I see NO way to diable this per thread. Oh and yeah, no threading. Another reason this SUCKS !

Curt Wrigley

Inspiring

DHLipman wrote:
I couldn't EDIT my post so I had to reply.

You can edit your own post until someone replies to it. Then it becomes locked.

Now I am getting all these emails of people replying.
I see NO way to diable this per thread.

Look in the action box at both the forum level and the thread level.

If you see this:

It means you are subscribed to that level of the forum. If its at the forum level, you are subscribed to the whole forum. To Stop getting emails click on the "Stop email notifications" link.

If you see this:

You are not subscribed at that level.

... Oh and yeah, no threading. Another reason this SUCKS !

Go into preferences and change from flat to thread view if you want threading.

Conjurer213

Participating Frequently

I tried to give it an open mind look.

This is terrible. The news group worked so much better!

Conjurer213

Participating Frequently

Third try at turning off the emails!

Did anyone mention how much nicer the NNTP news group worked?

Kath-H

Inspiring

Any email from this?

_V11

Participating Frequently

Ansury wrote:
I'm spiked at 99% CPU most of the time on this terrible crap forum--even just from moving the mouse over links.
I didn't complain about all the extra frilly stuff many people seemed to have a problem with, but...poor performance? That's a deal breaker.
This is why JAVASCRIPT, and "Jive" sucks. This is unusable for me on IE 7... come on now. (???) Only took about 15 minutes to get here and post this...
Here's an idea Adobe: go ahead and create a FLEX forum if you want fancy fancy RIA type functionality and ditch this Ajax/JS hack trash. It's not like you don't have the expertise in Flex here... and it could use the demonstration and publicity.

Unless you are using IE6, and rendering a movie while visiting these forums I highly doubt the 99% processing is caused by browsing there forums. Unless you have proof for that of course, or a way to reproduce these issues. And using IE and talking about performance doesn't go well together. Its well known that Internet Explorer is slow, awful and a generally crap not performances focused browser. So if you want a better browser experience I would suggest download a normal browser like FF 3.1 with JIT enabled, Safari 4, Opera 10, Chrome...

Suggesting to ditch Jive might be fun, but highly unlikely that it will ever happen, Adobe probably spend allot of time comparing different forum software. They choose Jive and we will just have to live with it. Everybody know flash isn't the easiest thing to get indexed by search engines, sure, Adobe is working close with Google to make it as good as possible, but its not perfect yet, and there more search engines than google..

I find it fun that you blame JavaScript as the major slow down of the forum, sure it might a part of it but its not the biggest issue on these forums. When you load the page the JavaScript isn't involved that much. The only times you see it when the page has been loaded (loads the the annoying and totally useless posts like this box, that actually has nothing to with the current post) and when you interact with the rest of the forum. But than the whole forum has already been loaded..

If you where to check the actual lifecycle of the page you will see what is wrong..

btw Ann

YOUR BOLD AND RED COLORS ARE REALLY ANNOYING TO READ

I had some e-mail contact with John a while ago, giving him suggestions about speeding up the forum, when I'm not answering questions on the Adobe forum, I focus on front end performance at my current job. I gave them a few tips how to decrease the loading time and speed of the forum.

But as Adobe stated in a few topics, they switched to jive to they didn't have to make a custom forum, and custom functionality and changes. So I highly doubt any changes will be made in the near future.

These are just my 2 cents

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Anonymous

What you pointed out regarding JavaScript is what I was talking about-- the parts that are *obviously* JS involved. I'm not blaming all slowness on JS (if it sounds like that, I'm sure I was exaggerating for fun and excitement at another chance to bash garbage JS which I feel is a poor competitor for Adobe Flex)------but I am blaming all slowness on this crappy "Jive" forum.

And I can't switch browsers. Some of us work at places that won't let us do this. Saying "don't use IE" is like saying "use a normal OS, like OS X". (????)

Forgive me if I seem angry, but this move by Adobe has seemingly ENTIRELY CUT OFF my ability to access this forum at work.

If I'm unable to resolve the problem (maybe it's just my workstation, but it should still work like all the other websites do) what am I supposed to do, ask for a new workstation so I can use Adobe forums?

And WHY DO I KEEP GETTING MAIL SPAM even though I have it turned off?

RoboWizard

Inspiring

Hi Ansury

I'm not sure if it's just your posts or if there have been others reporting the same.

Can you please expound on what you mean by getting E-Mail SPAM?

Are you talking about receiving posts from the forums? I ask because I've not noticed any extra SPAM with my forum messages.

Sincerely... Rick

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DeonH

Participant

I have to agree.

Aprt from being slow, I have to login everytime. It's nice to have all these icons and everything, but I still prefer to be able to take part on the forum with my Xnews newsreader.

Why fiddle with something that works????

Deon

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GEWB

Inspiring

I agree - it sucks. NOT user friendly, design sucks, slower too much white space, HTML crap instead of FAST plain text - Adobe went for glitz instead of substance. When it goes all Flash (don't put it past them) I'm out of here...and I started with Blue Sky. Then again, maybe I'm out of here sooner rather than later.

MISS KISS should have been the goal. Missed it by a mile.

(Where's the preview button?)

Regards,

GEWB

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