Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums?

Thank you very much, Len. An independent, impartial judge of the situation was badly needed. This had been for too long "a dialogue between deaf people", as we say in Spanish. Not good for the forums, not good for the discussion, and not good for the people involved, so I apologize for my part of the blame.

Than you Pierre as well, although you wouldn't qualify as independent in this thread.

Ouch!
Lots of misunderstanding going on, or too much reading between the lines...

Without speaking for him, from what I understood in this long discussion here, Claudio does not ask to be paid, nor does he want to be an host. He just would like to have, like me, whoever is in charge of the spanish- and french-speaking forums (the german side of the house seems to be OK), really take care of them, and might even have some suggestions, and would provide some help to make it better...

Funny. I would have thought it's not me who is butting in a topic I don't understand and using personal disqualifications as arguments. Users of the forums in French and Spanish should thank you both for your valuable contributions.

>He is an officious intermeddler of the highest caliber

Indeed.

Hello, Nigel.

You have chosen not to take my word for my intentions, and not to take the trouble to understand my position by reading a little more of what I and others have written in this thread. I could therefore choose to remain silent, as I said. However, by interpreting things as you wish and publishing your views in this topic, you are endangering what Pierre, myself and others have been trying to do for the forums in French and Spanish, so I will try just once more.

You now quote two sentences from two different messages of mine to conclude

> ... this reads to me as if you're offering to translate English to Spanish for Adobe...

which of course I have been offering for nearly two years. However, as you conveniently omit the sentence immediately preceding the second one you quote,

>All I would need is permission from Adobe Fenwick to continue the process that I was carrying with JC, brutally interrupted about a year and a half ago, to be replaced by absolute inactivity.

you absolutely misunderstand my comment about what my teacher told me decades ago. My comment was only a perhaps too obscure way of saying that the fate of my offer would probably have been different if I had charged for it instead.

I did explain this to you in another message, but you don't give any sign of having read my explanation. What I am offering is to continue doing for nothing what I had been doing for nothing for some months with the help of JC. I understand that Pierre had been doing something similar, also for nothing, in the forums in French. For some (to me) obscure reason, you seem to be more interested in digging in what I have written looking for evidence to prove your are right and I am wrong than in trying to understand this simple fact.

> All I'm saying, Claudio, is that if you and Adobe/JC/who-the-hell-ever reach a mutually beneficial agreement whereby they pay you in whatever way for translating English into Spanish, then good luck to both parties.

Now this seems to me like going a bit too far. With this remark you are not only insulting me, but also JC. Suggesting that he may even consider an obscure agreement with me to obtain some sort of benefit can only be attributed to not knowing who he is and what is his role in these forums. If this is the kind of behaviour you have come to expect in people surrounding you, it is obvious we live in completely different worlds, and nothing I can say will ever convince you that there are different worlds where people behave differently. Which is a pity.

All I'm saying, Claudio, is that if you and Adobe/JC/who-the-hell-ever reach a mutually beneficial agreement whereby they pay you in whatever way for translating English into Spanish, then good luck to both parties.

But if you're going to openly or implicitly tout for business on this forum, you really shouldn't then become holier-than-thou when others do similar.

>That's why I have concentrated on something I know I can do if there was interest: make the Spanish ones at least decently written and presented.

>I would think that almost everyone posting questions in the forums in Spanish does so because of an insufficient knowledge of the English language. It must therefore be at least disconcerting for them to find pages partially or totally written in English, when it would be so easy to have them all written in proper Spanish.

I don't know about you, but this reads to me as if you're offering to translate English to Spanish for Adobe...

>In a conversation with one of my teachers, shortly after I graduated, he gave me the following bit of advise: "Claudio, never offer to do any job for free". He didn't explain any further, so it has taken me several decades to realize and understand the wisdom in his words...

... and this sounds like you want payment for it. While that is understandable, I will juxtapose this with recent posts from you questioning perfectly innocent posters as if they're touting for business, and less perfectly innocent posters that are obviously doing so.

So, why is it that you feel you can tout for business here and others cannot?

I edited my post to be diplomatic, but that doesn't mean that the thought doesn't linger.

Hello Nigel,

I'm glad that you trimmed down your message #53 while I was writing my answer. However, I don't see anything I should change in my answer because of this, except for acknowledging that now you are not openly calling me a hypocrite.

Hello Nigel,

>As do I your hypocrisy. You often come here reporting would-be offenders who openly, or not so openly, tout their guns for hire, as it were. Yet you are willing to do the same.

I thought I had been clear in saying that I am not only not asking Adobe for money for services not yet provided, but I have also declined to receive any compensation for services already provided. Perhaps you may find it too difficult to understand that someone can collaborate in improving these forums without expecting anything in return, but that doesn't give you the right to call my a hypocrite.

It's a pity that you rush to draw offensive conclusions about my conduct without making the least effort to understand what I have written in my last two messages. If you want it clearer and shorter: it has never crossed my mind to offer Adobe my paid services as a translator, even less through these forums. It is your privilege to take my word for it or not, and it's mine not to continue answering your attacks if you don't believe me.

Hello Claudio

>I find your suspicion not only unfounded, but offensive.

As do I your double standards. You often come here reporting would-be offenders who may have, or may not have, touted their guns for hire, as it were. Yet you are not beyond implying that Adobe should pay you to translate the forums.