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February 28, 2009
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The Big Picture

  • February 28, 2009
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I think what is not being understood by some participants in these discussion is the scale of change which will follow the transition to the new forums.

Have a look at http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace-community and you'll see that the purpose of the Clearspace Community software goes way beyond the objectives that might be deduced of the current forums and their underlying software.

My personal take on things is that Adobe have decided that the whole style of the user interactions and community here is no longer appropriate to their corporate needs. There was a time when provision of a support forum was not seen as much related to the main thrust of company objectives, but those days have gone. Online communities are now one of the chief means of interaction between a corporation and its customers - and it's a two way channel. Interaction between those customers is also facilitated by within the online community but that's not necessarily deemed to be the key objective.

The forthcoming change represents, sadly, the end of this community and the creation of a new and very different one. The functional elements and the look and feel of their presentation in the Jive software are carefully designed to foster a particular style of interaction between users of Adobe software, and beween the users and the company. The functions and form are designed for an over-riding purpose and to support an overarching communications philosophy, not thrown in upon a whim.

It seems very clear to me that Adobe expects that the new community will have a significantly different flavour to the old, and that they will have anticipated that not all of the present members of this (and the Macromedia) communities will feel at home in the new one. There's no need to warn Adobe that some people will be unhappy enough not to return - they will have accepted that risk at the outset.

While there will be an inevitable loss of expertise, and it will be sad to see the last of some regular participants here, it seems clear to me that Adobe are hoping that the new style of community (moulded by the software they have chosen to create it) will bring in new members who may well have considerable expertise in the products, but who have not felt encouraged to participate in the style of community we have here now. The company will also be hoping that those newly requiring support will find the new site to be more effective and simpler to use than the old, and that the site will enable the company image and the strengths and usage of the product lines to be put across more clearly.

That, as I see it, is the big picture. There's not much point in discussing the points of detail unless in the context of the overall company objectives in making these changes - and if you disagree with the whole underlying premise of the changes, then there's little chance that you'll like much of the detail either.
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    March 5, 2009
    http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/31/22TCclearspace_1.html
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    March 5, 2009
    Curt Wrigley,

    Care to specify whom you are addressing in #224 before epithets start flying around unnecessarily?
    March 5, 2009
    >t. If you forget to give a rating someone always pops up to remind you to rate the answer. Very annoying.

    yea, i can see how that might get annoying fast...

    >Dave, correct me if I'm wrong... but the rating system this software uses is that the original poster is allowed one correct and two good answers. No one else has a voice at all.

    I didn't read that far into the system docs, but from what i've read about it via googling the rating system i think anyone can mark a good answer.

    IF it turns out that only the OP can rate in a thread (i don't think so but... ) then i'm against it too. turn it off all together.
    Harbs.
    Legend
    March 5, 2009
    >Dave, correct me if I'm wrong... but the rating system this software uses is that the original poster is allowed one correct and two good answers. No one else has a voice at all.

    I took a quick look at the docs you linked to, and it looks to me that the number of ratings is customizable.
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    March 5, 2009
    >The big question is whether the average OP is going to be able to correctly identify which are good posts and one that is correct

    Yup.

    >Question... can an OP answer themselves and give points to their own post?

    The ultimate absurdity. :/
    Curt Wrigley
    Inspiring
    March 5, 2009
    So much for it being a User forum. Sounds like you want a "regulars" forum that works only how You want it. There are other opinions. And louder opinions are rarely better opinions, in my experience. Who at adobe has said they are turning on a rating system?

    Relax.
    Harbs.
    Legend
    March 5, 2009
    Why can't ratings (or thank yous, or whatever it might be called) be linked to the person who issued them? When someone is banned from the system, all his data can be removed -- including the ratings (good or bad) which he provided.
    March 5, 2009
    Dave, correct me if I'm wrong... but the rating system this software uses is that the original poster is allowed one correct and two good answers. No one else has a voice at all.

    The big question is whether the average OP is going to be able to correctly identify which are good posts and one that is correct... and whether it's possible for someone with admin rights to change those markers.

    After they are used up, that's all there are for that thread.

    Question... can an OP answer themselves and give points to their own post?
    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    March 5, 2009
    > To me, rating answers is not only a bad idea, it's asinine. Check the Apple boards.

    Agreed. On the Apple boards they are all vying over who can get the most. If you forget to give a rating someone always pops up to remind you to rate the answer. Very annoying. It sets up an unhealthy competition rather than being helpful simply because you want to be helpful.
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    March 5, 2009
    None. I wouldn't be visiting that forum.