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_Paz_
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December 8, 2009
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Voices of the Banned

  • December 8, 2009
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I haven't been banned yet, but I'll begin with my own voice.

Having "Community Expert(s)" giving out "Warnings" that people had better expect to be banned if they critisize the type of software Adobe has chosen to run this forum is ridiculous.

Having "Community Expert(s)" give out "Warnings" that people who participate instead of clicking the Anonymous Accusation and Hidden Trial Button or they might " might end up in the abuse queue too." is unconscionable.

Paz

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    Correct answer shunithD

    Touché...

    But there's no point arguing... they refuse to see the 'error' of their ways... they tie you up in obfuscations, other Community Experts come in at a tangent to further muddy waters and attempt to diffuse – not defuse – issues... and the story carries on... with each one saying, "Who me?", and, naturally it is not the "Who me?" as the ball has neatly been passed.

    The bannings are legion... little drum masters strutting around... ducking the issue and responsibility by claiming, in one breath, that only Adobe personnel can actually ban users and in the next, that this forum is a User-to-User forum and so no Adobe employees visit it... except in a personal capacity. (However, i think, they have got around the last by dropping the "User-to-User" tag.) Whatever, however, i feel there are certain 'drum majors' around who delight in banning users who dare post anything contrary to their dictats. Others then swarm in to, as i said, obfuscate the issue. I have been following this as an observer and the pattern is very clear.

    And, if no Adobe employee visits officially, and all bannings are done on the basis of recommendations by certain moderators, as claimed, more or less by the mod/s themselves, my case stands. Limited evidence and kangaroo trials.

    So sad... so sad...

    PS: Guess 1/ My post will be deleted or 2/ I'll be banned or 3/ All three

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    _Paz_Author
    Known Participant
    December 8, 2009

    If there is ANY moderator here who can snatch those 10 points away from JVD, I'd greatly appreciate it.  Not that they're worth anything to anyone who has a lick of sense.

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    shunithDCorrect answer
    Inspiring
    December 8, 2009

    Touché...

    But there's no point arguing... they refuse to see the 'error' of their ways... they tie you up in obfuscations, other Community Experts come in at a tangent to further muddy waters and attempt to diffuse – not defuse – issues... and the story carries on... with each one saying, "Who me?", and, naturally it is not the "Who me?" as the ball has neatly been passed.

    The bannings are legion... little drum masters strutting around... ducking the issue and responsibility by claiming, in one breath, that only Adobe personnel can actually ban users and in the next, that this forum is a User-to-User forum and so no Adobe employees visit it... except in a personal capacity. (However, i think, they have got around the last by dropping the "User-to-User" tag.) Whatever, however, i feel there are certain 'drum majors' around who delight in banning users who dare post anything contrary to their dictats. Others then swarm in to, as i said, obfuscate the issue. I have been following this as an observer and the pattern is very clear.

    And, if no Adobe employee visits officially, and all bannings are done on the basis of recommendations by certain moderators, as claimed, more or less by the mod/s themselves, my case stands. Limited evidence and kangaroo trials.

    So sad... so sad...

    PS: Guess 1/ My post will be deleted or 2/ I'll be banned or 3/ All three

    G
    Gyno-jiz
    Inspiring
    December 8, 2009

    4/ Profit!

      J
      Jochem van Dieten
      Inspiring
      December 8, 2009

      Paz wrote on 12/8/2009 6:31 PM:

      Having "Community Expert(s)" give out "Warnings" that people who participate instead of clicking the Anonymous Accusation and Hidden Trial Button or they might " might end up in the abuse queue too." is unconscionable.

      The exact words were:

      But if people react by throwing oil on the flames instead of simply clicking the report abuse link they might end up in the abuse queue too.

      If you present arguments people might listen to you. But if you start

      with presenting "participate" as an accurate synonym for "throwing oil

      on the flames" don't count on anybody listening.

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      _Paz_Author
      Known Participant
      December 8, 2009

      I know that's what you said.

      How is that different from individually participating - giving one's honest opinion?

      Using your ANONYMOUS Report Abuse Button, to be followed by SECRET TRIAL  is EVIL.

      J
      Jochem van Dieten
      Inspiring
      December 8, 2009

      Paz wrote on 12/8/2009 7:03 PM:

      I know that's what you said.l

      So if you know what I said, why don't you quote me correctly but instead

      misrepresent my words?

      How is that different from individually participating - giving one's honest opinion?

      If you mean "why do you respond to that part, and not the other part

      about 'individually participating'", then that is because I could

      actually identify what you were misrepresenting. If you mean something

      else, please clarify.

      Using your ANONYMOUS Report Abuse Button, to be followed by SECRET TRIAL is EVIL.

      You are aware of the previous discussions we had on this subject?

      Including the one where I showed the relevant parts of the datamodel

      that show it is impossible to have anonymous abuse reports? Perhaps you

      should read it again: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2426100#2426100

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      _Paz_Author
      Known Participant
      December 8, 2009

      From Banned Person "A"

      “It's very strange what is happening over at the Adobe forums. I find it hard to believe that Adobe thinks it is proper to treat their customers in this manner. We were invited to critique the "new & improved" forums but, apparently, may not criticize them in any way. It's like when my wife will ask me "Does my butt look big in these pants"?

      I'm normally a pretty easy going person. But, I was very angry when I received the e-mail telling me I was banned. They gave me no reason and did not refer to any particular post of mine. The e-mail stated that if I had any questions to contact them. I sent them a reply asking as to why because I knew of nothing offensive that I was guilty of. They haven't answered and I doubt that I will.”

      And later, Banned Person “A”:


      “I haven't been told any reason for being banned. I tried to log in but could not. Window came up informing me that I was banned and that I should contact my administrator. Whatever that means. I haven't received any reply from my e-mail.

      I find it hard to believe that Adobe is treating me, and others, like this. It's not the company we knew in the past. While I need Photoshop I certainly will not be rushing out to purchase every new upgrade.”

      And later, Banned Person “A” said this:

      “So it appears that they don't know who I am but they are sure that I'm guilty.”

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      _Paz_Author
      Known Participant
      December 8, 2009

      From Banned Person "B"

      "Well, I've been banned from the forums along with a whole great raft of other people who also complained about the new forums and jackbooted new moderators”

      and later, Banned Person “B”:

      “Adobe said: These individuals were banned as a result of repeated complaints from other forum users.

      I've been reported for abuse exactly once - and the complaint was rejected.”

      And Later, Banned Person “B” said:


      “Have I been told ...

      1. what you were banned for?

      No.

      2. how long?

      No

      3. that you have been re-instated?

      Hah!

      Also, I go less and less often to read in the forums, but I think I gathered that there is now no separate log-in for the forums. So if I ever need to access my store account for registration data etc. I'm SOL (Sure Out of Luck!)”

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      _Paz_Author
      Known Participant
      December 8, 2009

      From Banned Person "C"

      “We know why BLANK and BLANK (two of the most helpful posters) were banned: because they verbally attacked the mods. But they always did more good than harm and the old-school hosts knew how to handle them.

      A whole bunch were banned at one point. My impression is that Adobe said to that BLANK robot, "Give us a list of people that are annoying you". He did, and they just banned them without any consideration of their net contribution to the forums.

      Far more serious as far as I am concerned is the list of valuable people that have just left and never returned. Probably disillusioned by the Mickey Mouse forum software and the general aura of negativity.”

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