What About Moderators in the New Forum?

Dorothy:

You do have such charm.

There may be "thousands of people who know Photoshop" but what on earth makes you think that they are going to spend any time in a Forum that resembles the MM model when ALL of the existing Photoshop Forum members who have contributed to this discussion have made it perfectly clear that they avoid the MM Forums like the plague?

Also, surely the Forums should be designed to suit the Users and we have all made it perfectly clear to you that the proposed model which we have been shown is unacceptable.

Sorry, John, but I do think that it's ridiculous that people have such a "my way or the highway" attitude. And if this clears out people who intend to be obstacles, so be it.

Ann, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, ok? There are thousands of people who know Photoshop, and every other program, more then plenty well enough that the forums will get along plenty well enough without you, and those of a similar ilk that are so arrogant that they can't play unless they get to define the rules. Guess what... it ain't your ball or your ball field... and there are plenty of players.

I predict, tho, that a year from now, you'll still be around, and you'll still bitch about your supposed complaints about me. And the change in the forums will happen in spite of it.

I'm afraid Ann may be right. :(

>People who can't compromise may as well head out the door now, so those that want to work together can get on with the task at hand.

Dorothy:

YOUR attitude is exactly the reason that many of us WILL decide to "head out the door" permanently.

Adobe Photoshop is, I understand, considered to be Adobe's "Flagship".

You apparently do not visit the Photoshop Forums too frequently or you might recognise that the very people who are most vocally challenging the appalling decisions that the Forum Development Team seem determined to foist on us, are the same people who offer their help, and answer questions, in the Adobe Photoshop Forums on a daily basis.

What you are doing is going to destroy the Forums you can bank on it.

Exactly.

All my contributions to the conversation is about the use of avatars. If you (adobe) doesn't want to add them. Fine We've gone through the years without them. I was just show and and explaining they don't take up that much room. and if you don't add one it should add any additional space to your post.

I am more concerned over the overall look of the Forums. Of all the forums I go to Adobe's current version has the best look and feel and the next are the use the PHPbb format.

But what I am most worry about is in past attempts there have been an outright Mangling of the cookies making if not outright impossible, down right aggravating to get in. I know what the last two attempts were like. So I don't wish to have to go through the ordeal again.

I say these comments not as some so called expert or genius, I am neither. But as a Long time user and commenter or even helper. That wish to for a long time to come.

Thanks to you, too, Dorothy, for telling us the practical stuff.

As I recall, I haven't seen anyone either insisting that the Adobe Community Expert titles be shown in the forum, or that they remain as a program. Nobody is "hanging on to them". I have only seen people disparage the title, complain about them being shown, and belittle the people who are so designated by Adobe. Personally, I don't care one bit about the title. My concern is the loss of NNTP access. Period. But I will defend the Community Expert program when it is attacked as it has been.

Nevertheless, in the interest of progress, I will close my case on this, as I already have on the loss of NNTP. So be it. As long as Adobe sees fit to recognize my contribution to the product and the community, I will accept it with thanks, no matter what form or title it takes.

Regardless of names or titles or sigs or anything else that people choose to use, the folks from the experts group have been invited to come over here to help participate in the development of the new forums... something that we're all in together.

I can appreciate that folks that have been part of the Adobe forums for years now feel protective of them. But, no matter what opinions have of any of it, the forums are going to change. The question is... are we going to work together and make the best of it or are we going to continue squabbling over stuff that, in the end, won't hardly matter at all?

I can pretty much guarantee that it's going to take all of our positive energy pulling together to create a positive change that will work for everyone. And, I can equally guarantee that if people don't get over their personal list of gotta have's and start helping to realistically figure what's possible, that you will be responsible for having chosen to make the process more difficult then it needs to be.

There are many ways that conceit can be defined. Hanging a tag on someone doesn't make it so, nor does lack of one. One definition of conceit, to me, is insisting that things have to be your way, regardless of what might be possible or practical. People who can't compromise may as well head out the door now, so those that want to work together can get on with the task at hand.

> DAMMIT PHIL!

>You shouldn't have posted either of your messages #85 & 86.

>The claims you make are COMPLETELY ill-informed, on almost all counts.

>You have bigger problems than the occasional typo or grammatical errors, and that is not knowing what the heck you're talking about half the time in here.

Look I work with images all the time. I kept up a website for my Electronics association for more than 10 years.

I have my own website.

I do in fact know something about images. I do know that Jpeg images are the most content rich and therefore one of the largest size graphics types. gif is one of the least, but takes out the most detail. I know animated gif increase the size because it has more than one still image embedded into the image that is repeated in sequence to create the animation. The most ideal in .png it can be used over more platforms.

I and I do know about using Tables. Because used them a lot in my Electronics Organization's website. I employee them in my own website.

I've always had problems with spelling and proofreading all my life. Its just one of many flaws I have. I am not perfect, never, have been, never will be. And would scared to death to be in front of someone that claims they are.

> the hostility towards Macromedia, and Adobe Community Experts has shocked me.

The question is, why is it so important to you that you get your little badges?

> The pomposity, self-justification and conceit of those so-called "Experts"

I agree completely. And if you think that is about hostility towards MM you are dead wrong. It is about "pomposity, self-justification and conceit" and it will not be received well.

Hear about the guy who got a humility award and then got it taken away for wearing it?