what's going on now?!!

Ozpeter,

Gosh I hope being a designer is not a criteria for being on the adobe Forums.

I use Adobe personally. I use it to convert Documents to PDF that I can upload to my website. And up until last summer my Electronics Association website. I Also use to make PDF forms or convert documents to fillable Forms for my own use.

But that does not make me a designer. That makes be a user of Acrobat or Acrobat pro since version 4.

And some like a broad overview of all topics in a forum (I can see 50 on a page in this format) and the ability to move between different threads and forums instantly.

Quick browsing and posting (with formatting and in-line images where necessary!) is what makes it a pleasure to be here, rather than a chore.

I haven't seen anything to like in the newer stuff yet.

But I'm a recording engineer. Is becoming a designer a condition of use of the new forums? ;)

Maybe I'm missing the point, but Adobe software covers a wide range of applications, many of which do not require design skills, and in any event if designers didn't have very different views on what constitutes good design, there wouldn't be so many of them.

I imagine that a key element in any designer's work is to create a design which is appealing to the target audience, and that might not actually appeal to the designer. And here the target audience is quite a mishmash of persons, I would have thought, probably unified only by their experience of typical forum designs elsewhere, which will inform their expectations here.

And the others should, hopefully, be helped to become.

> the people who are going to use this are designers.

Well, some are.

> Meanwhile the current system is working perfectly well enough so for the Adobe Forums so I see no reason to be in a hurry to make the change.

According to the post by Forum Ops at Forums Operations, "Just one question about basic performance" #14, 13 Feb 2009 3:45 pm the current system is creaking. We could carry on and watch it fall over, then adopt a panic measure, or make a pre-emptive move on the basis of careful consideration, which has clearly been going on in the background for some time.

When it comes to the design, so far we've seen an interim design of part of one page. Personally I'll suspend judgment until we have functioning examples of the whole thing so we can adequately assess both form and function and the interplay of the two.

I thought Frontpage was the web software saying: We know what you want; just go along with it.

>If software doesn't exists that does what you want it to do, what do you suggest we do about it?

Design a page layout to overlay their system or demand and insist that the Vendor does this if they wish to have Adobe's business. If it takes them six months to do what is necessary, just wait until they have completed the task AND you have fully tested it before moving the Forums to the new software.

Meanwhile the current system is working perfectly well enough so for the Adobe Forums so I see no reason to be in a hurry to make the change.

>I've pondered that Adobe should just create their own forum software, and add it to their stable of killer apps.

so including the cool OS, that'd be what, two, right? :)

Fred, how good were any of those programs in version one - which would be what any Adobe forum software would be? How famous is Adobe for rapid development in areas in which it doesn't have prior expertise? It's a nice thought that DIY would/should be possible, but it's not about to happen, I'm afraid.