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Who the Hell wrote this crappy forum software?

Forum|Forum|16 years ago
February 23, 2010
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Ya, I knowm it says Jive.

This forum refuses to work with Opera, either for Windblows or Solaris 10 x86 Unix. This area for entering the post does not show up.

I had to start Exploder and I HATE Exploder.

What is even more stupid is the catch-22 in that the forum software is used for the feedback. If the forum is broken, how the Hell is someone supposed to be able to let anyone know that it is broken.

If Adobe wants great forum software, they should use what AVSForum uses. It works with any and all browsers.

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Anonymous

I'm speaking mostly from an RIA (rich internet application) use case, which gets much more complicated than a stupid website

all i'm saying it can and is done, and done well, regularly. like i said, i just finished a RIA business process to rave reviews. and it doesn't get much more complex than what we've done.

the rant is misplaced. yes, the technology has to be used properly, but it's ok as long as you know what you're doing and fit it to the right task.

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Anonymous

Most don't know what they're doing (look at Jiveware, and this is just a web forum with some light ahax relatively speaking!). And that still doesn't address the problem of maintenance, not to mention the shortcomings of having to test, update, build, deploy, and test for each new browser or browser update. I'm saying that these same morons thought EJB2 was a good idea (monumental disaster) and they're probably making yet another huge mistake. People don't consider the hidden costs in these things, most are too amazed that someone actually got a browser displaying HTML and running crappy scripts to actually look like a compiled application. If this is all people really "want" the Internet to be, I wonder how they have enough ambition to wake up in the morning at all.

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Anonymous

I wonder how they have enough ambition to wake up in the morning at all.

If they had direct deposit they wouldn't have to.

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Anonymous

You vill conform to the required browser, which is the one that the president of Jive uses, and not complain. Unfortunately, none of us knows which browser that is. Note that words like 'Hell' and 'crappy' are not permitted on these forums and will trigger a self-destruct of your OS, unless you have a Mac, of course, in which case everything will work perfectly, except when trying to navigate these forums, for which there is no help. Over...

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Anonymous

Ahh yes. You've stumbled upon a truth that many of us (some now banned?) tried to point out when and before this circus act was hired.

Chrome is the only browser that works 'decent' here it seems. (IE is far too slow when on a crap system attached to a slow network so even that has it's problems...) It's rather pathetic, these Jiveware "engineers" (that means primate back on Planet Jive) don't have a clue at how to design software, let alone TEST software, or write code that works across browsers.

It's all part of the big IT trend for fancier (yet not really improved) HTML/JavaScript rubbish web sites... which break much more often of course. (Possibly every new browser version since we're talking JavaScript/AJAX/DOM/DHTML TRASH.) RIAs can be done right (see Adobe Flex or Silverlight apps), but.... not like this. lol

Funny thing about that version change from (what was it?) version 2.x to 4.x within ~six months time (really??? I hope that's not true.)-- This just illustrates how piss poor this jiveware is, only garbage software needs so many updates in such a short time. Do they charge for each version, I wonder? Those jives are a bunch of snake oil peddling scam artists.

Jive Software can go jive themselves...

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Anonymous

(Possibly every new browser version since we're talking JavaScript/AJAX/DOM/DHTML TRASH.)

just wrapped up a new full workflow product for a client using asp.net and ajax. rave reviews my friend.

it's not the tools, it's the carpenters.

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Anonymous

dave milbut wrote:

it's not the tools, it's the carpenters.

Think of Homer's spice rack, go up an order of magnitude, and you've got Jive.

(10 random line breaks and 6 involuntary log-outs this afternoon.)

Goodnight.

the_wine_snob

Inspiring

FWIW, Chrome (on PC) seems to have gotten around the line-breaks, and the camera icon posting JPEG's issue - at least for me.

Still, as of about 2 weeks ago (as of Feb. 23, 2010), the Adobe fora seem to do an auto log-out/log-in to the wrong ID, but now I know to watch for it. seems to be at 9:00AM, 3:00 and 8:00PM AZT (GMT -8, IIRC, as we do not change here in AZ, USA). I now know that at those times, I will likely be logged-out, and instantly back in, though as another person. Oh well, no more phantom line-breaks, and I can use the camera.

Good luck,

Hunt

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Anonymous

Wasn't me.

MichaelKazlow

Legend

There are alternative browsers to MSIE without going to Opera. Many use Firefox/Mozilla/Gecko based rendering engines. Others use Safari (or Webkit based browsers). It is a pain not to have your preferred browser supported, but there are alternatives to MSIE available.

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MrVideoSeniorAuthor

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As pointed out by other users in this thread complaining about the text jumping about (which has been hapening to me as well), one should not be forced to go to a browser other than the one preferred by the user.

I'm not going to install this browser, or that browser, just because the site doesn't know how to write compliant web pages, or forum software. As mentioned, AVSForum, as well as other forums, use software that is browser blind. I use Opera at home, and have done so for many, many years. At work I'm currently using Firefox. One of these days I change it to Opera as well.

The forum software needs to be fixed, not the user.

Phillip M Jones

Inspiring

While Mr Kaslov sa

ys you don't have to use IE or even Opera. The fact remains

, That the problem of unnecessary line breaks shows up in, evidently IE (as per your post),

but also: Opera, iCab, OmniWeb, Saf

ari, Camino, FireFox, SeaMonkey. If the Forum software was written to World Wid Web Consortium Specifications. there would be zero errors in the code, and visually as well and would works as it should.

But JVD will be around to harp on the point t

hat is a known bug, and its being looked at. He notes Jives own software is up in the 4+ area. while ours stuck in the two's That means that adobe latched on to two to three year old software. I suspect is was done to save money. rather than get a decent package that would have few problems.

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