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I was seeing that people were launching Photoshop and seeing an agreement they had to accept in order to launch it, and it sounded like anything at all being created or altered in Photoshop could be used by Adobe in any way they want. I did not see this same thing pop-up in After Effects, this morning. Does anyone know if this is being planned for After Effects as well? My concern is that clients will not allow me to use After Effects, at all, if any footage I use in it is being sent to Adobe to be used however they like.
Adobe has posted updated Terms with explainers:
https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html
and responses from an interview with Scott Belsky:
https://petapixel.com/2024/06/18/adobes-terms-of-use-controversy-provided-an-opportunity-to-improve/
Hey, @atnajoy.
We understand your concerns and recommend visiting our blog post for clarification on our Terms of Use update: https://adobe.ly/3yOKzop
Thanks!
Sameer K
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This is actually less broad than it was previously. It's much more specific and that's why people are upset.
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But not just "cloud services", right? As per your link:
When Adobe applications and services may access content
1. Access is needed for Adobe applications and services to perform the functions they are designed and used for (such as opening and editing files for the user or creating thumbnails or a preview for sharing).
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When Adobe applications and services may access content
1. Access is needed for Adobe applications and services to perform the functions they are designed and used for (such as opening and editing files for the user or creating thumbnails or a preview for sharing).
That's talking about cloud services. Almost all Adobe software is touching the cloud at some point. If you open a local document and then decide to do a "select subject", that image is sent to the cloud, albeit temporarily. If you use Generative Fill on an image, that image (or a portion thereof) is sent to the cloud...
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Adobe owns Adobe Stock where they sell stock photos.Thats part of the services they provide. They state they own a prepetual license to any of your work for their services. There is nothing legally stopping them from selling your photos as stock photos. Their clarification is that they don't "own your photos", Thats true but they have a license, and a license means they can sell it or use it. You can say "trust us" they dont plan on doing that, but that means absoutely nothing when it comes from Adobe or any company for that matter. What matters in the terms is the terms, not their intent right now.
The road to heck is paved with good intentions.
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@PlottingPixels please read before making inflammatory/false assumptions.
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use
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yeah that doesnt clarify anything I said. Also that is a clarification document not an update to the actual binding legal document. If you read my original comment, I made reference to their "clarification".
If you don't like to read, here is a suplimental video that brings up many of the same points and problems with the "clarification" link you provided:
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Adobe is training it's AI specifically on content licensed from Adobe stock and other stock vendors. They have zero interest in training their AI on half-finished projects... but they DO need access to those projects if we're utilizing their cloud computing services.
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They didn't specify AI in general they specified firefly AI. They have other AIs.
And it's not a matter of what they are doing or say they're doing, it's what they can legally do.
You just trust them more than most. I'm not in the business of trusting when it comes to NDAs or overly vague terms and conditions.
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Agree 100%. Looking to move away from Adobe products now. Been using Photoshop since 1995. Anyone remember Kai's Power Tools plug in?
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Hi,
I just saw on the adobe general term of use that Adobe can access view and listen to my content.
As a professional working under NDA contract, I would love to know:
- Can Adobe access and view my picture work that I store on my own computer?
- Is the content that Adobe can access is used to train generative IA model like firefly and ect?
Thanks a lot for the answers.
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Hey, @atnajoy.
We understand your concerns and recommend visiting our blog post for clarification on our Terms of Use update: https://adobe.ly/3yOKzop
Thanks!
Sameer K
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short answer, no its not safe.
good video discussing the problems with their "clarifications"
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1. The author is not a lawyer or legal expert this is all his opinion and interpretation not fact.
2. They aren't new terms - they tried to better explain existing terms that have been in place since 2013 (Creative Cloud). The issue is they forced people to read them. The video author even contridicts himself in his opening statemnt "this was the change that has been in there for quite a while".
3. Adobe has explicited said they are not training AI on your content in the follow up post.
4. Licensing has already been explained in this thread that Adobe needs access to your content in the cloud to "operate as intended".
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1. Good point, are you? He references another video from a law channel: This one: [link removed as per forum guidelines]
2. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY ARE NEW TERMS, people have found out about them recently and are pointing it out now. If a murder happened a few years ago and people just found out about it, doesnt mean its okay to say "this murder isnt new" Its new to them and they are bringing it up because they are your customers and they have issues with it.
3. Follow up posts are not legally binding and no they said they are not training Firefly AI, They didnt mention any other AI they are working on in the background. Again they have a license to all of your work to improve their services. AI is part of their services. And just because they clarify they are not doing that, doenst mean they WONT do it in the future.
4. License needs to be able to do that, I agree, then the should update their actual terms to be less broad and specifically targeted torwards that instead of what they currently have which allows them to use it broadly on any of their services.
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The "clarification" in no way addresses my concerns. It deals with 4.1 but ignores 4.2. New or old, my work is mine. I will be leaving despite loving the product unless Adobe changes its terms and practice. It will be an enormous pain with 35K+ images in the catalog and hundreds of edits in LRC, but I will leave.
Kindly outline the best workflow for moving to another platform/app with minimal loss of edits and catalog data.
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You can be real about things or [abuse removed]. I'm far from an Adobe apologist but the outrage is misplaced here. Now, if you want to scream at them about the Lightroom UI, I'll help you scream.
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I heard last night from an employee of one of the globe's largest games producers, that Adobe are forcing users to allow them to access all of their working files? It came up in conversation as he was cancelling his PS subscription.
This not only breaches the NDA files we have to legally agree to, but utterly destroys them! How as creatives can we sign legally binding contracts, knowing full well that all of the protected details are being scanned by external services and personnel not bound by the agreement?
How can anyone within the creative industry use this software package for serious work under these ludicrous conditions? Only those who work for themselves, outside of design agencies, software development companies, games developers, government agencies, advertising, marketing, the list goes on...
Peoples livelihoods depend on NDA's, you do NOT mess with them!
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I too am cancelling my subscription today. [Profanity removed] these clowns.
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'I heard last night from an employee of one of the globe's largest games producers, that Adobe are forcing users to allow them to access all of their working files?'
You heard wrong. There is a lot of misinformation spreading on this.
https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html
In particular see the paragraph stating 'Adobe may analyze your content that is processed or stored on Adobe servers. We don't analyze content processed or stored locally on your device' So the answer is simple, turn off content analysis for your account, keep images on your own device and use functions which process on your device (e.g. not generative fill etc).
Dave
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That isn't the reassurance I get from this Adobe post:
Posted 6/6/24 on:
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use
In section 4, it states 'upload' but also 'or create using the Services and Software', this part does not specify files uploaded to Adobe servers, but indicates all files regardless of save location.
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Those people [abuse removed] have fallen for misinformation. Of course this is nothing new, look at the current state of politics...
Adobe has issued clarifications but of course all the shouting has drowned out the truth. SMDH.
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Yes they replied and issued "clarifications" but didnt actually address the main issues or fixed the problem. This video sums it up pretty well:
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Tempest in a teapot. Every platform with user content has almost identical terms and periodically there is a big uproar from folks who don't understand and just want to be angry.
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people make an uproar because they are bad terms. Its not the fact that they "just changed" or that it "just happened", They just happened to notice it now. They have been bad, and when certain people finally notice they are bad, then they speak up about it, as they should. Just because he finally noticed and made a video about it doesnt mean that his points in that video are wrong. You are a "legend" rank on this forum, We get it, you like adobe and will fight for them, that doesnt mean the points are wrong. especially from a legal perspective. It just means people are finally taking notice and redressing their grievences. Get used to it, not everybody loves adobe and trusts them.