AE 23.1.0 Poor Performance. Timeline/Keyframe lag.

I updated to 23.2.1 and the timeline performace is much better. Thank You.
It still stutters compared to 22.0 but the keyframes are not getting "stuck" anymore.

Thanks @JohnColombo17100380 this sounds really promising. I have just added to those threads (and I must have commented on countless ones before them!)

Personally I don't think adding that functionality to pre-comps is the solution, I have projects with hundreds of layers which have very few pre-comps (and would actually cause issues if I started pre-comping everything). I would just love the ability to put layers into basic 'dumb' folders (the same as PS) purely for organisation and to reduce scrolling headaches. I would also hope that this then has the added advantage of improving performance on layer heavy projects too.

This has fixed the issue for me.

Much better.

Thanks.

@ivan.markelov You are not imagining it; the interaction performance on Mac is better than on Windows in most cases, especially if Layer Controls are enabled. I'm not aware of the engineering reasons why, but this is something that we are looking at improving and bringing to parity.

@Nick2049 The cache rebuilding when dragging a keyframe in that case is simply After Effects checking if there has been a change to the render and then reloading the frames it has already cached in the case of no change.

Regarding layer groups: we are acutely aware of this need. Adding groups is not a trivial task and I can't make any promises, but please add your thoughts on how groups would be utilized in your workflow to either of these Ideas (depending on which one you support, because they are different):

• Open pre-comps as Folders / Groups in the timeline
• Folders in After Effects timeline

@davids19273365 It sounds like you are experiencing the known lag when Layer Controls/overlays are enabled. We are actively looking into improving this for future versions. This latest fix was specifically to restore interaction performance to the levels in 22.6 after it slipped drastically in 23.1, but it has highlighted these previously-existing performance problems to the team. We will continue to focus on improving interaction performance moving forward.

- John, After Effects Engineering Team 

After updating to the latest Nvidea drivers I was able to get a smoother response when moving layers and key frames but only when the on screen layer controlls are hidden. (shift + ctrl + H  will be my new favorite key stroke till this all gets sorted out)

I am on Nvidea as well.  I have not checked for updated drivers lately.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll post back if I find a driver update that helps.  Here are my specs in case it is helpfull to anyone else.

Windows 10 Pro 

Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10980XE CPU @ 3.00GHz, 3000 Mhz, 18 Core(s), 36 Logical

Installed RAM    64.0 GB (63.7 GB usable)

System type       64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

Adapter Description        NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000

Adapter RAM     (1,048,576) bytes

Driver Version   31.0.15.2727

@davids19273365 oh man that sucks, so sorry to hear that. Hopefully this will only get tuned even better in time. Curious if you're on Nvidia as well and up to date on drivers? Not sure that it's related now but doesn't hurt to ask I guess. 

I wish I could be celebrating along with everyone else but the patch didn't do it for me.  I am still experiencing the same key frame lag after installing the 23.2.1 update.  22.6 still works better for me, which is dissapointing.  I was really enjoying the new track matte work flow in the 2023 version.

@JohnColombo17100380thanks for clearing that up, and to the team for rectifying the issue.

I wouldnt say it is completely resolved, it's still a little laggy, my Macbook Pro (which is from 2013 and far less powerful than my workstation) still outperforms it when dragging keyframes, but it's a huge improvement over what it was, the fact the keyframes are no longer 'sticky' is great.

Is there any reason why, even when there is no value change, the cache constantly rebuilds when you move a keyframe. For example create a solid, a single keyframe for opacity (but leave it at 100%) and drag it around, you'll see what I mean.

Maybe not the place to ask, but I'm going to 😄 ..Now that this has been rectified is there any chance you guys can work on what we've been begging for (for years) and that is folders for layers! Please save us from the endless scrolling!

@JohnColombo17100380 Whatever the team did seems to have solved the issue. Keep up the good work.