Audition with Behringer UMC404HD - Sample Rate Matching

[bulb12183257]

Hi everyone,

I've just bought the Behringer UMC404HD to my laptop.

the UMC404HD sample rate is 192KHz.

what should be the recorded setting sample rate at the audio hardware ? 192 Khz?

when im doing that nothing moves.

only sampling of 44100 seems to work.

is there any need for more setting?

what about the PC sampling rate?

it seems the UMC404HD samples at high rate 192KHz but the audition at 44100?

i will be glad ,if someone clarify the issue

Thanks

Bull

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

Audition will record at any sample rate it's sent,  and sampling at 192k is completely unnecessary. All you would achieve was the recording of a load of noise you couldn't ever hear! All sampling at this rate does is waste a load of disk space. But just because the Behringer is capable of sampling at this rate, it doesn't mean that it has to - normally you can request the rate from Audition. So if it appears to be working correctly at 44.1k.., it probably is!

[ryclark]

If you are using the downloaded Behringer ASIO 4.38 drivers (Device Class set to ASIO in Audition's Hardware setup page) then it doesn't matter what the Windows audio sample rate settings are since ASIO bypasses the Windows audio drivers altogether. If you are not using ASIO then the PC's sample rate has to match that of Audition and the UMC.

[bulb12183257]

Hi ryclark,

OK. Yes i'm using the ASIO 4.38.driver.

There is the windows setting and the audition software setting.

Regarding the Adobe audition sampling rate setting,dosent it need to be matched to the 192Khz sampling rate of the UMC404HD? or it dosent matter?

Thanks in advance.

Bull

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

No it doesn't. That is only the maximum sample rate the Behringer can manage, not the only one! Choosing a sensible one in Audition sets it to the one you've chosen.

[bengtp96607813]

Have a similar problem.

Win10

Adobe CC 2019

Behringer UMC404HD

Behringer 4.38 drivers installed.

Windows Sounds setup has both input and output set at "24 bit 192 kHz"

Using Device class MME and selecting the 192 kHz input and output and the Behringer inputs as master clock, I still can't get the sample rate to 192 kHz. So everytime I try to record a 192 kHz clip, Audition does its "Sample rate does not match, converting ..." type stuff and the recording ends up being 96 kHz.

I know all about ASIO and ASIO4ALL, that is not an option in this case.

How do I get MME to read 192000 instead of 96000 as in the pic ?

[ryclark]

a) Why on earth do you want to run at a sample rate of 192kHz?

b) What's wrong with using the supplied ASIO drivers? After all they are there to get the best out of your audio interface with the lowest latency and no chance of Microsoft having their evil way with the audio signal that might occur using MME drivers.

[bengtp96607813]

a) I want to run at 192 kHz because it suits me. Questioning that doesn't make the inability to select MME 192 kHz in AU CC 2019 go away.

b) If you are referring to the ASIO4ALL drivers, my original question was "How do I get MME to read 192000 instead of 96000 as in the pic ?" The Behringer ASIO driver I was able to find on the net are dated 2009, are you saying to use those in AU CC 2019 running on Win10 64bit?

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

bengtp96607813  wrote

a) I want to run at 192 kHz because it suits me.

192 ksamples/s (not Hz) is a multiple of 48k - which is only used for video. To use that rate for anything audio means that you'll have to resample it to play on anything else, and by the time you've interpolated back to a sensible sample rate (like 44.1k), the artifacts you will have introduced will have demolished any imagined 'improvement' you will have got from sampling at such a high rate. Not only that, but you are going to be thrashing your system (especially your HD) at a much higher rate, which inevitably increases the possibility of errors. And for what?

It's not whether it suits you that I'd question...

As for the technicalities of whether it's actually possible or not, it's quite simple; the card supports it, Audition supports it, but if the provided MME driver doesn't support it properly, then you're stuffed until Behringer provide one that does.

[ryclark]

Actually the latest drivers v. 4.38 from Behringer are dated February 2018, so are only a year old and designed to work with Win 10 64bit.

https://www.musictribe.com/licencePopup?mediaCode=P0BK1_MGMEDIA_UMC%20404%20HD_Drivers_11422&url=//d...

Apart from thrashing your hard drives and stretching the capacity of your computer processing power using 192kHz sample rate is producing four times as much data (audio files will be 4 x bigger than necessary) only to store 75% useless information IMHO. So why do it? I would love to hear your reasoning. The quoted analogue frequency response of the UMC404HD only goes up to 43kHz anyway so you don't need any more than 88.1kHz sample rate to be able to record that. But I doubt very much that any audio source will produce anything as high as that to start with.

[defaultto60fbjaif8e]

So true ryclark, but anyway, I also want to go to 192khz with my UMC024HD and I can't set it up to do that. I am using it as a electronics measuring tool (with the proper interfaceing in the UMC input side). So, 192Khz is very nice because it extends the analisis banwith.

For any reason one desieres we should be able to go to 192Khz, even if it is just to know that Behringers publicity is fact. Has anyone managed to get the UMC running at 192Khz? How???

Thank you