Effects Rack Pre or Post?

Report · Nov 28, 2018

When you have an audio clip which is using the effects rack and you raise the volume using the volume bar on the clip, is that volume boost implemented going INTO the effects rack or after the audio has been processed through the effects rack?

Cheers,

-K

Report · Nov 28, 2018

The answer is 'yes'... because you get to choose!

That little button I've ringed gives you the choice. When the arrow points at the fader, it's in normal (pre-fader) mode, but if you click on it, it will turn red and the effects arrow will come after the fader. This applies to everything in that particular rack - you can set this per track though, so they don't all have to be the same.

Report · Dec 02, 2018

Thanks SteveG - just to confirm then, the volume level control bar within an audio clip is treated just as a fader?

Thanks again.

-K

Report · Dec 03, 2018

As far as I'm aware (although if anybody has any better info they can update this), the volume envelope control - the yellow line in the track - is always applied pre-fader. So when it says 'pre or post-fade' at the top of the effects rack, it only refers to the mixer fader. This makes sense really; you'd want to control the ups and downs of a track so that they balanced out before you make the final level decision about it. Well that makes sense to me, anyway...

Report · Dec 03, 2018

Hmm. That's interesting - and exactly NOT what makes sense to me. In my case, I'm mixing and need to raise the volume of a particular clip - usually a very small clip I've isolated just to raise the volume. If the envelope control is pre-fader then I'm just slamming the efx harder and not necessarily raising the volume. Especially for vocal tracks where I'm trying to bring up a fallen level on a small phrase or vowel. It's behaving like pre-fx. I'm pushing 10+ db with the yellow bar (and fighting the efx stack which includes multiple compressors) just to get a slight increase in final volume. In my world, post-FX makes more sense.

Report · Dec 03, 2018

kents27989677 wrote
Hmm. That's interesting - and exactly NOT what makes sense to me. In my case, I'm mixing and need to raise the volume of a particular clip - usually a very small clip I've isolated just to raise the volume. If the envelope control is pre-fader then I'm just slamming the efx harder and not necessarily raising the volume. Especially for vocal tracks where I'm trying to bring up a fallen level on a small phrase or vowel. It's behaving like pre-fx. I'm pushing 10+ db with the yellow bar (and fighting the efx stack which includes multiple compressors) just to get a slight increase in final volume. In my world, post-FX makes more sense.

Ah, but that's what the automation system is for - that will let you alter fader values throughout the mix, which achieves what you're after.

Report · Dec 03, 2018

I'm sure you're right but that isn't something I've done to date. In the scenario I'm dealing with, imagine I'm zoomed into a single phoneme of a word that requires a boost. Very small amount of actual time. This isn't what I've expected fader automation to solve. Thanks for the chat.

-Kent