How to automate panning in touch mode using faders??

[abdullahseba]

Hi

How do I automate panning in touch mode using the mixer faders?

When I select the Pan envelope and move the fader it adjusts the volume even if I hide it.

The same thing happens with all envelopes.

How can I do this?

Thanks in advance.

[ryclark · Accepted solution]

You can't with the Mixer faders. They are just for changing the audio levels only. You have to use the Pan control knob for changing Pan position automation.

[abdullahseba]

Is this for audition only, or all daws?

[ryclark]

Generally for all DAWs I would have thought. However if using an external hardware controller over MIDI you might be able to reassign faders to control Panning but not usually done I don't think.

[abdullahseba]

Thanks, would some thing like this do the trick?

https://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Desktop-Controllers/BCR2000/p/P0245

[emmrecs]

abdullahseba wrote:

Thanks, would some thing like this do the trick?

https://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Desktop-Controllers/BCR200 0/p/P0245

My understanding is that the BCF200 might be a better bet https://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Desktop-Controllers/BCF2000/p/P0246

The BCR's encoders are not, as I understand it, motorized, i.e they cannot "move" without direct physical contact of the user, whereas the faders on the BCF can, and do, move under MIDI control.

​But use of MIDI is not possible in any version of Audition other than (the now rather old, but still functional) 3.

[abdullahseba]

I have seen the BCF2000 but I want something that can do panning as well as other envelopes.

With the BCF2000 you only get panning and faders.

I personally prefer the X-Touch to the BCF2000.

[Bob Howes]

It's normal to use the pan knob for the purpose it's designed for but there IS a cheat you can use.

Duplicate your track and put it into your multitrack session twice, preferably next to each other.  Pan one version hard right and the other hard left, then you can automate your pans by moving the two faders in opposite directions as required.

[ryclark]

abdullahseba wrote:

I have seen the BCF2000 but I want something that can do panning as well as other envelopes.

With the BCF2000 you only get panning and faders.

On the BCF2000 you can set up various recallable functions for the Rotary encoders using the Presets. They are not just for Panning, but that is their default. Several DAWs such as Cubase, Logic or Sonar have loadable presets which also give access to EQ, Sends and even plugin effects controls. Quite often the DAWs have learning functions that allow you to automatically assign certain encoders to specific tasks.

[abdullahseba]

I seem to get the impression that adobe audition is not the best for control surfaces.

Is this correct?

What is the best daws for control surface flexibility that supports at least 5.1.

I've never seen a professional use audition, they always seem to use Protools, Cubase, Logic or Sonar.

By professional I mean for songs usually with loads of stereo effects, not sure about the rest podcasting, radio, etc.

[MonoxideWorks]

You have a point. I too am experiencing difficulty finding control surfaces that will work flawlessly with Audition. There is not much information out there. But it does the job for 5.1 mixes across different media; via your standard keyboard and mouse.

BCF2000 works with limited functionality with Audition by using the Mackie Control (MC C) emulation. The VPot works for panning on mono, stereo and 5.1 tracks. But controlling the panning on a 5.1 track is only limited to the Angle; the other functions such as Stereo Spread, Radius, Center volume and LFE volume cannot be manipulated from the BCF2000 AFAIK.

The faders will control track volume automation alright. It is also possible to change track automation mode via the controller. You have the ability to choose Read, Write, Latch and Off. You cannot choose Touch though, again probably because of differing Mackie Control implementations across different DAWs. A peculiar behavior though, is that after Writing track volume automation; the automation mode of the track will automatically switch to Touch. But the Touch behavior is buggy, unpredictable and not as responsive as you would hope it to be. The faders seem to be fighting your Touch automation attempts.

Transport control is good (Play and Stop) so as scrubbing forward and backward.

Banking by sets of 8 tracks are also alright as well as banking track to track.

Mute and Solo of tracks work, but Record arming is not possible.

You do have access to the Track EQ via a specific button, but controlling the EQ parameters are not intuitive and very cumbersome to manipulate.

There is an Undo function that works, but Saving from the device is not possible.

These are all my experiences from using BCF2000 with Audition. I may be wrong in some aspects, as the Mackie Control Protocol still confuses me.

As for your original question, the behavior you are looking for is actually available with Presonus Studio One and their new Faderport 8. You have the ability to Flip the faders to control Track Panning or Track Volume; which I also think is quite intuitive. With the recent updates of Adobe Audition, I'm not sure when but I'm currently using Adobe Audition CC 2017.1.1 Build 10.1.1.11 -  I am quite happy to see that PreSonus FaderPort is now part of the list of compatible control surfaces. Yes, go check.

So it MAY be possible, that the behavior you are looking for...is just right around the corner.

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

abdullahseba wrote:

Is this for audition only, or all daws?

I think that this is pretty general too. The idea, certainly within a DAW, is that you automate the controls, not reassign them.