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is there a way to fix a bad studio recording?

Enthusiast ,
Jun 16, 2017 Jun 16, 2017

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hi

i bought as soon as it was release the last radiohead's A Moon Shaped Pool  in a local store

and after i bought even the vinyl

listening it with Sennheiser HD598 & grado SR225e i can head lots of cracks and the audio is clipped on my cd player

i tried to rip with several software like eac and audition cc too

i don't know if i have a bad copy because i bought as soon as it was released

does somebody own this album?

is my cd or i was recorded badly?

and is there a way to fix it? (i don't expect micracle   )

i pretty sad because it's one of my favorite album

i just ripped to flac and look the wave and spectral view

look the screenshots ,it's the first track

thanks

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Community Expert ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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I'm afraid that if this is a legitimate CD release, they're all going to be like it. It's not necessarily the studio's fault at all - it's the way a lot of 'popular' material is 'mastered' - basically to make it as loud as possible so that it stands out on the radio, or whatever. And even if you could remove it, there's no way you can restore the peaks on that much clipping without reducing the overall level of the track significantly.

Mind you, it's not that clever a recording, and clearly somebody has had to do some work to it before it was released. If you look on the spectral display at the point where 16kHz is (near the top), you'll notice that there's a slightly darker band right across the track. This means that somebody's run a filter across the whole thing. A few years ago I discovered (the hard way) that if you have something like an iPad or other medium-sized display anywhere near an open mic, the backlight power generator is perfectly capable of generating and radiating interference at around that frequency - in just the same way that the line oscillators in old-style TVs did. And people tend to take them into studios... Generally it doesn't become apparent until much later, often at the mastering stage, and it's virtually impossible to remove this invisibly (the reason is technical and boring, and relates to the way digital filters have to work).

Often, your best bet is to get somebody to make a recording of the track from the vinyl release using good equipment. They have to take a lot more care with clipping and peaks on this, or it simply won't track correctly on the player. If it still sounds crap after that, then somebody blew it completely at the mastering stage, and there's nothing that can be done except complaining like stink to the record label, and getting them to remix it properly. Personally I think you should do that anyway!

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Community Expert ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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SteveG(AudioMasters)  wrote

A few years ago I discovered (the hard way) that if you have something like an iPad or other medium-sized display anywhere near an open mic, the backlight power generator is perfectly capable of generating and radiating interference at around that frequency - in just the same way that the line oscillators in old-style TVs did.

If you look at the spectral display of many film sound tracks you will see this 15khz line coming from the monitors playing back the film in the music studio.

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Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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Rather harder to avoid in my case - the performer was using the iPad as a score display, and reading from it.

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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if this is a legitimate CD release, they're all going to be like it. It's not necessarily the studio's fault at all - it's the way a lot of 'popular' material is 'mastered

hi SteveG , yes it is , i bought in a local store

i google A Moon Shaped Pool bad recording and there are lots of users with a bad copy some own a different copy without crackle and clipping

If you look on the spectral display at the point where 16kHz is (near the top), you'll notice that there's a slightly darker band right across the track. This means that somebody's run a filter across the whole thing

yes i see , at the first glance i tought it was caused by the cd ripped by me

i could buy it again online , there is 24-bit WAV download but i don't know how burn it

and they are the radiohead , i mean a long waited album

thanks

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Community Expert ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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yes i see , at the first glance i tought it was caused by the cd ripped by me

i could buy it again online , there is 24-bit WAV download but i don't know how burn it

If you rip it, you get an exact bit copy of what's on the CD - you won't have caused this at all.

Burning the 24-bit download is easy in Audition - there are links to a couple of blog posts that cover all you need in this FAQ:

How do I create a CD with Audition?

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People's Champ ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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In these days of loudness wars I doubt it would do much good, but if the mastered CD really sounds as bad as you say, I'd complain to to the record company or perhaps the band.  i doubt one letter or email would change things but if the complaints start to arrive in the thousands, who knows.

Well, I can dream can't i?

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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Hi Bob

i spent about 80€ or more for the cd and the vinyl

and yes i'm very disappointed

what makes me very disappointed is that i have googled A Moon Shaped Pool bad recording , or clipped recording or noise recording , crackle and i found many users with a bad press cd

but many others has a good copy, that's very weird

i guess nobody will care complain my email

i will rent a project with external usb and i will rip the vinyl

thanks

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 17, 2017 Jun 17, 2017

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Hi SteveG

i know how burn it ,but i will get a 16bit cd

i'm wondering if i can burn a dvd audio @ 24 bit

If you rip it, you get an exact bit copy of what's on the CD - you won't have caused this at all.

i know there are several cd with copy protection , even it's a right have 1 copy of the cd , i tought it was generated by the copy protection

thanks

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Community Expert ,
Jun 18, 2017 Jun 18, 2017

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Giovannivolontè  wrote

Hi SteveG

i know how burn it ,but i will get a 16bit cd

i'm wondering if i can burn a dvd audio @ 24 bit

Not with Audition - and quite frankly there's no point, as you will absolutely not be able to tell the difference. It's all been carefully researched, and the results published years ago. Nobody can do it!

i know there are several cd with copy protection , even it's a right have 1 copy of the cd , i tought it was generated by the copy protection

The copy protection - what there is of it - doesn't affect the audio at all. I think that all rippers ignore it completely these days.

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Explorer ,
Jun 18, 2017 Jun 18, 2017

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Perfect timing. I came up with a process in audition scientific filters a couple years ago. I need someone to try it and advise what they think. I became frustrated and use it to "reverse" the effects of the volume wars.

Convert the audio file to wav

Open audition and open the wav file

Reduce the volume to just under -6 db

open
Effects->Filters->Scientific Filters

Select the group delay button

Select Chebychev for Types
select Band Pass for mode

Master gain 0

set the following parameters:

Cutoff=4, High Cutoff=22050  for 44.1k audio, 24000 hz for 48k audio

Order=18.

transition bandwidth unchecked

pass ripple 0.00

press apply

then magic

Rick

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Community Expert ,
Jun 19, 2017 Jun 19, 2017

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Rick0725  wrote

then magic

I personally don't have anything to try this on. Could you post a short before and after example? With waveform shots?

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 19, 2017 Jun 19, 2017

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hi SteveG

i 'm tring the trial version of a stereo tool  perfect declipper and seems very good

sadly there can't find a video tutorial about it

i have download the vst 64bit of stereo tool 8

have you tried it ?

thanks

sad

asPerfect DeClipper

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Jun 19, 2017 Jun 19, 2017

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Giovannivolontè  wrote

have you tried it ?

thanks

No - I have no need to as I never encounter clipped audio!

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Explorer ,
Jun 19, 2017 Jun 19, 2017

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vinyl rip.jpg

vinyl rip

before.jpg

before cd

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after scientific filter

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 19, 2017 Jun 19, 2017

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hi

may i ask you do you use sound forge to rip vinyl?

and i will try with the last radiohead's album ripped from the cd

thanks

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LEGEND ,
Jun 20, 2017 Jun 20, 2017

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As Steve says it won't matter what software you use to rip the CD the clipping and distortion will always be there since it is burnt into the CD audio unfortunately by the people who mastered/produced the CD version.

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