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eric_brb
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May 23, 2024
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Adobe Bridge - can I tell it to always use sidecar XMP files for RAW formats only?

  • May 23, 2024
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Due to how much larger DNG files have gotten with higher megapixel smartphones and with DNGs being created with AI denoising of other camera RAW formats, I recently modified my Camera Raw Preferences so that DNG files "Always use sidecar XMP files".  What I didn't expect is to see Bridge create xmp sidecar files from JPG format images.  Is there a setting so that it never creates a sidecar for a JPG?

 

Sometimes I'm just updating the caption or copyright URL on the JPEGs before uploading to my photo hosting site, so I really don't want it placing that info in a separate sidecar file (which don't get read by the site's uploader).

 

Also, once you have the sidecar files, is there a quick / bulk way to embed the xmp sidecar data into their respective JPG files from within Adobe Bridge?

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Correct answer eric_brb

For anyone else who comes across this, sorry I made a typo in the Mac url - it should have "16_0" not "6_0" near the end, but can't figure out how to edit my other post. It should be like this: https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/mac/16.x/CameraRaw_16_0.dmg


Thanks for figuring this out!  I just had it start happening again with a few (but not all) jpg files so I'm glad I revisited this thread...rolling back to 16.0 definitely worked on those files.

The windows version of the link is actually: https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_0.exe

16.1 and 16.2 work as well.
https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_1.exe

https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_2.exe

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gary_sc
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 23, 2024

DNG,  JPG, and TNG files (not PSD) are all container files. That is, they act like folders to "contain" the various metadata files. 

 

But I think you may be chasing a false premise here. A 20 MG DNG and a 25 kb file will have the same storage size as the 20,000025 file with the xmp data. Separating the two will not make a difference. 

 

The JPG with xmp support has always been a bit of a tricky issue for many people: if you make adjustments to a JPG image and send that to someone who doesn't have Adobe Camera Raw themselves, they will see the JPG image without any of your adjustments. So, if you adjust a JPG file, you must do a Save as… before sending it out or sharing it on Facebook or other social media. 

 

Also, as you observed, captions, copyrights, keywords, etc., are all stored in the metadata as well. 

 

Similarly, if you move a JPG, TIF, or DNG file of its folder without the XMP file, it will appear as it did before adjustments. 

 

So, always saving XMP files outside of the files themselves really doesn't save you anything and potentially increases your frustration. And, I suggest you get two large external hard drives if your file size concerns you. You might consider doing what I do:

 

Keep in mind that any hard drive can fail. "There are two kinds of hard drive users. Those who've had a hard drive crash and those who've not had a hard drive crash YET.

 

Over the years, I've had several hard drives crash, and yes, I've lost stuff. Here's what I now do:

I have a 4 TB drive that holds all of my images and many documents. I have a 2nd 4TB drive that I use to back up my first drive. I manually do this at least once a week or more often if I've done a lot of work.

I have a 3rd 4TB drive I use for Apple's Time Machine.

 

I also use a cloud service in case the house burns down. Am I paranoid? No, just a realist. In a worst-case scenario, I would not lose much, at worse, sometimes. 

 

[Note: the 4TB is entirely based on what I need. Your needs may demand more or less hard drive space. Whatever you think you need, double it. Oh, the backup drives do not need to be SSDs or anything fancy or fast, just reliable. Also, look for backup software that can update your data as opposed to replacing your data. If you're on a Mac, I strongly recommend ChronoSync. If you're on a PC, I'm sure someone can make recommendations.]

 

Good luck!

eric_brb
eric_brbAuthor
Inspiring
May 24, 2024

I'm actually starting to think the xmp jpg sidecar issue is a bug related to the latest version of Adobe Camera RAW.  Even if I set the preference to embed the info in DNG, it still creates sidecar files for jpg files...and I'm pretty sure I hadn't seen this happen before the 16.3 update of Adobe Camera RAW.  I tried using Bridge 2023 to see if certain issues persist...and I see that it is still using Adobe Camera RAW 16.3. 

 

I also noticed the "Constrain crop" checkbox no longer has any affect...which is really going to make processing photos rough until it is fixed.

Unlike the applications, I don't see an option for installing an older version of Adobe Camera RAW other than 14.5 (which is ancient).  Ugh. 

eric_brb
eric_brbAuthorCorrect answer
Inspiring
June 18, 2024

For anyone else who comes across this, sorry I made a typo in the Mac url - it should have "16_0" not "6_0" near the end, but can't figure out how to edit my other post. It should be like this: https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/mac/16.x/CameraRaw_16_0.dmg


Thanks for figuring this out!  I just had it start happening again with a few (but not all) jpg files so I'm glad I revisited this thread...rolling back to 16.0 definitely worked on those files.

The windows version of the link is actually: https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_0.exe

16.1 and 16.2 work as well.
https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_1.exe

https://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/cameraraw/win/16.x/AdobeCameraRaw_x64_16_2.exe