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I got an update for ACR (CS6) today and installed it. Suddenly, EVERY time I open Bridge or return to it from another page, it starts thumbnailing my images from scratch. We're talking hundreds of images in this folder. This is new. It did not do this yesterday. What is going on and how do I fix it. If I leave bridge (even if it's still open) and I go back to Bridge, it starts doing the thumbnail extractions all over again and THEN starts on the full size extractions all over again. The result is that all of Photoshop has slowed to a crawl. This is the second time in a month that an update has caused new problems that did not exist before. It's beyond frustrating.
that's cute. I just sat through 10 minutes of full size extractions counting down. it got to zero and STARTED AGAIN. Okay, guys, what's going on? I have 50 gb of images from Asia I need to process. I truly don't have time for this. And the thumbnail extractions just started over again.
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Starting a new discussion in that forum ... Camera Raw ... sounds like a good idea. I, frankly, flounder around in all of this. But I will try. I don't think I have time now but later. Thanks for the suggestion.
Curt Y wrote:
ycardozo wrote:
Curt Y, are you saying what was released on the 17th is a totally different program? Not even an update but as different as CS6 was from CS5?
Yes, CC which was released on the 17th is officially version 14. CS6 was version 13 and so forth. But they do not call in CS7 they call in CC, I know that is confusing, but since they will have continual updates now the version nomenclature is probably out the window.
But from what I have seen in this post the issue is not what version of PS is used, it is the version of Camera Raw. And here again we get fuzy as ACR 8.1 for CS6 is slightly different than ACR 8.1 for CC.
If would be nice if people were competent in their chosen field. However, from my decades of living I find it increasingly a problem to find workers that can fix problems or do a construction job without input from me the uneducated.
And has this issue been presented to the Camera Raw forum? Not this thread as it is way too long for anyone to read, but a short summary of what triggers the problem as is now suspected. Jeff Schewe is a major force in writing camera raw.
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Curt Y wrote:
And has this issue been presented to the Camera Raw forum? Not this thread as it is way too long for anyone to read, but a short summary of what triggers the problem as is now suspected. Jeff Schewe is a major force in writing camera raw.
Yes, it has. And Jeff wasn't interested, although I can think of several people in that forum who would probably be better suited to troubleshooting the problem who also had nothing much to say.
But this is academic. As I already indicated, Adobe says it has addressed the issue already, but hasn't said what the release schedule is.
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Curt,
Just as well. I cant even find the Camera Raw forum. But what exactly do you mean by "adobe says it has addressed the issue already but hasn't said what the release schedule is." Are we talking the thumbnail regen problem or something else entirely?
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Curt Y wrote:
And has this issue been presented to the Camera Raw forum? Not this thread as it is way too long for anyone to read, but a short summary of what triggers the problem as is now suspected. Jeff Schewe is a major force in writing camera raw.
Yes, it has. And Jeff wasn't interested, although I can think of several people in that forum who would probably be better suited to troubleshooting the problem who also had nothing much to say.
But this is academic. As I already indicated, Adobe says it has addressed the issue already, but hasn't said what the release schedule is.
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ycardozo wrote:
Curt,
Just as well. I cant even find the Camera Raw forum. But what exactly do you mean by "adobe says it has addressed the issue already but hasn't said what the release schedule is." Are we talking the thumbnail regen problem or something else entirely?
It wasn't Curt. It was me.
The Camera Raw forum is here http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
You already visited it. Jeff took an instant dislike to you. 😄 (Don't take it personally, he's like that)
I posted a link earlier. It points to the Photoshop Feedback forum. To save you getting lost, I'll quote what Adobe employee Brett N actually said:
Topic 'Bridge: Unneccesary Bridge thumbnail and preview extraction', started 16 Dec 2011
14 June 2013
Yammer P: Any news, Brett?
Brett N: Unfortunately, I cannot talk about future releases... But, this has been addressed by the engineering team.
Yammer P: Future releases?! You're kidding, right? This is a bug, and we're hoping for a fix for CURRENT software.
Brett N: Everything is a future release: updates, new product versions, etc. I don't even know what the release plan is.
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Sorry Yammer P. I'm doing three things at once. Meanwhile, I found the Raw forum and started a new discussion. Yikes, this bug has been around since 2011????? Guess I was lucky not to stumble into it before I did. Somehow, there must be something inherent in my computer and others (and not in still others) that triggers this. Otherwise, how is it my friend with Nikon doesn't have the problem. Nor, I think, did another friend shooting with canon.
Here's the link: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1236721
If 'this has been addressed by the engineering team' it hasn't been addressed very seriously. obviously. And if this Jeff Schewe is a major force in writing camera raw, why on earth hasn't the problem been addressed by now? Oddly, I don't seem to be getting email prompts about messages on the other forum. I do have 'send emails' enabled. Maybe I didn't before. Who knows. Certainly not me.
Yammer P wrote:
ycardozo wrote:
Curt,
Just as well. I cant even find the Camera Raw forum. But what exactly do you mean by "adobe says it has addressed the issue already but hasn't said what the release schedule is." Are we talking the thumbnail regen problem or something else entirely?
It wasn't Curt. It was me.
The Camera Raw forum is here http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
You already visited it. Jeff took an instant dislike to you. 😄 (Don't take it personally, he's like that)
I posted a link earlier. It points to the Photoshop Feedback forum. To save you getting lost, I'll quote what Adobe employee Brett N actually said:
Topic 'Bridge: Unneccesary Bridge thumbnail and preview extraction', started 16 Dec 2011
14 June 2013
Yammer P: Any news, Brett?
Brett N: Unfortunately, I cannot talk about future releases... But, this has been addressed by the engineering team.
Yammer P: Future releases?! You're kidding, right? This is a bug, and we're hoping for a fix for CURRENT software.
Brett N: Everything is a future release: updates, new product versions, etc. I don't even know what the release plan is.
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ycardozo wrote:
Sorry Yammer P. I'm doing three things at once. Meanwhile, I found the Raw forum and started a new discussion. Yikes, this bug has been around since 2011?????
No, I actually logged it on the Feedback forum in December 2011. It existed well before that. I had just found the forum, and was adding all my pet hates to it. All the other bugs were addressed with CS6—not as a patch to CS5.
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By the way, I just read your posting. Ouch.
Please remember, these are user to user forums, and Adobe isn't officially present. So your bellyaching is likely to piss people off. One of the Camera Raw engineers does pop in from time to time (in his spare time), and he is a good guy, but he won't help if you yank his chain. He's called Eric Chan ('madmanchan'). Jeff is the current author of the Camera Raw / Digital Negative books and has acres of experience with the software, as well as behind-the-scenes contact with Adobe, but he's not a software engineer. There are a handful of other guys in there who are technically very knowledgeable, but again, if you go in shouting, they're likely to stay quiet or tear a strip off you. Just saying.
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ycardozo,
We all have had a flavor of your frustration in this thread. We get it but does not help in problem solving. Before anyone comments on you camera raw thread (making an edit impossible) I also would also suggest a strong edit.
Take out the whining part and put in specific things that have been noticed that triggers the problem. Anyone reading the thread will have no idea what you are talking about. I do not have the problem as far as I can tell, although I also do not have folders with hundreds of raw files. But what I gather is that the problem is triggered when one edits certain fields in the metadata, but find the correct post as I am just guessing. That is the stuff you need to isolate the problem.
From my years of experience if the problem can be narrowed down the more likely you will find help. We get too many posts that litterly state "the program does not do xxxxx, Adobe just fix it now!" Those posts get ignored as unless everyone sees same problem it first has to be isolated before addressing.
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Ack, blurg and all that. Bottom line is adobe needs to fix this.
Bridge CC is a new version (similar to what a Bridge in CS7 might have been). Will be interesting to see when someone who has experienced the repeated cache regeneration problem tries out Bridge CC and ACR 8.1. Repeated regen problem fixed in Bridge CC or still present?
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Curt Y wrote:
Yes, CC which was released on the 17th is officially version 14. CS6 was version 13 and so forth. But they do not call in CS7 they call in CC, I know that is confusing, but since they will have continual updates now the version nomenclature is probably out the window.
But from what I have seen in this post the issue is not what version of PS is used, it is the version of Camera Raw. And here again we get fuzy as ACR 8.1 for CS6 is slightly different than ACR 8.1 for CC.
From all I've seen I think it is a Bridge cache management problem with a triggering influence coming from Bridge interactions with ACR 7.3 and later versions of ACR. Will be interesting to see if anything has changed in Bridge CC (thus my post 417).
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Please remember, these are user to user forums, and Adobe isn't officially present. So your bellyaching is likely to piss people off. One of the Camera Raw engineers does pop in from time to time (in his spare time), and he is a good guy, but he won't help if you yank his chain. He's called Eric Chan ('madmanchan'). Jeff is the current author of the Camera Raw / Digital Negative books and has acres of experience with the software, as well as behind-the-scenes contact with Adobe, but he's not a software engineer. There are a handful of other guys in there who are technically very knowledgeable, but again, if you go in shouting, they're likely to stay quiet or tear a strip off you. Just saying.
ycardozo,
while understanding your frustration I couldn't agree more with Yammer on this subject.
If you still have the option delete the whole thread or post and wait a few days.
Meanwhile rethink your original post and read it twice before you hit send, SHOUTING really puts a lot of people off and stating Adobe was to busy earning money is useless. A big company always wants and needs to earn money one way or another, a lot people need to get paid. You can differ about the amount of payment for some people but unless you are a major stockholder this is useless.
Yes it is frustrating they outsourced their help but many multinationals have done so. You have to live with it and instead of wasting time on useless chats to people trying but not really knowing (on the other hand, a lot of people sadly enough have simple - read a bit stupid - and basic questions that often can be found in a manual, it's hard to have good technicians waisting their time on this) use Google and a little patience, there is really a lot of info to find about almost any problem on the internet, just try different search criteria and skip the adds and reviews.
And also think about a better headline.
"When will Adobe fix the problem" is likely to be skipped immediately by people who might be able to answer or willing to investigate, 'Does anyone know a solution for…) or something like that gives you a better change.
It is all about the tone you play, any Adobe tech or employee answering in this and other user to user forum is doing this in his or hers spare time and because they are truly interested.
No problem in writing of your frustration, just don't send it like this ![]()
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my frustration came from tying to find an answer for 7months and not getting very far. The hour I spent on the phone with an adobe tech person who was supposed to be a photoshop expert and realizing that the chap didn't even know what a metadata file was turned into a hot spot for me. I have tried to describe the problem to the best of my limited ability. others on this forum have done a much better job. it truly has been well described. it was suggested I start a new thread on the other forum...I was directed by the instructions to make it a question, so I did. meanwhile, I am at the computer office and we don't see the problem here. so I will install a trial version of cc at my office and report the results.
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I am back at my office and here is what I found at my friend's office:
I brought a thumbdrive with a folder of RAW files from both my Canon 7D and my G11. The computer had both Photoshop CS6 (with Raw 8.1) and the CC version of Bridge (though not the CC version of photoshop...it is possible to download them separately, it appears).
Two interesting things happened:
1. The regeneration problem did not happen either on CS6 (with 8.1) or with the CC version (which someone here said has a slightly different version of 8.1). Either way, the problem did not happen.
2. I noticed when Bridge was doing it's initial thumbnail extraction that it did only a single round of extractions. In other words, on my computer, and on previous versions of Photoshop, you would go through a 'thumbnail extraction' and then start again with something called 'full size extraction.' Actually before doing any of this it also did something called 'preview extraction.' None of this happened on my friend's computer. It simply went through a round of extraction (I can't recall the exact name it used). And then it was done. He does have 'keep 100% previews in cache' checked in the cache part of preferences. So I am wondering if the latest version of Raw (8.1) has somehow combined all the extraction processes into one. Also, usually those thumbnail extractions go by in a flash. The extraction on his computer took longer, leading me to wonder if the three processes are now one.
Someone suggested that what we need is a person who has the problem to download the CC version of Photoshop and report back. I hope to do exactly that this weekend. I will let you all know what happens.
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Yes it is frustrating they outsourced their help but many multinationals have done so. You have to live with it and instead of wasting time on useless chats to people trying but not really knowing (on the other hand, a lot of people sadly enough have simple - read a bit stupid - and basic questions that often can be found in a manual, it's hard to have good technicians waisting their time on this) use Google and a little patience, there is really a lot of info to find about almost any problem on the internet, just try different search criteria and skip the adds and reviews.
As for my frustration with the person in Adobe technical help on the phone, well, it's been a long time since I called and last time, got someone extremely knowledgable. Someone on this forum suggested I live with the fact that these current people are no help. Well, I didn't know. Now I do. I am dyxlexic and deciphering much of what I read (especially googling it) is really hard for me. It is why I usually turn to a telephone. To be honest, I have gotten far more help through this forum than anywhere else. And for that, I say thank you to all of you out there.
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ycardozo wrote:
The computer had both Photoshop CS6 (with Raw 8.1) and the CC version of Bridge
Two interesting things happened:
1. The regeneration problem did not happen either on CS6 (with 8.1) or with the CC version (which someone here said has a slightly different version of 8.1). Either way, the problem did not happen.
OK, good test. Now download ACR 8.1 on your computer and use with your copy of CS6. You should not have regeneration as you said your friends computer with CS6 and 8.1 did not.
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yes,I plan to exactly that this weekend. the cc version will leave my current version of CS 6 untouched with its raw 7.2. That way I have an escape clause if cc doesn't work out. as was said, we need someone with the problem to do this. I still wonder if several things, not just the sidecar files are at work with all of this. actually to clarify...I don't want to update my current version in case none of this works. I will simply download a trial version of cc. if that solves the problem, I will go permanently to cc since there several very attractive new tools
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Curt Y wrote:
... Now download ACR 8.1 on your computer and use with your copy of CS6.
Oh... Don't do that. The repeated regen problem has been reported with acr 8.1 on cs6 Bridge (posts 325 and 329, also by Adobe engineer in test with 8.1 beta/rc - post 321). Recall that a major corollary problem for the OP is the inability to easily back out of an update; i.e., revert to 7.2. His approach in post 424 looks like best way for next step.
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yes, reverting to 7.2 is not easy, as I know from experience.
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Unless you use my scripts.
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Can I indulge people in a test?
Make 2 large Collections (say about 1000 items each) of Raw images from your archives. Try to include several folders which are known to cause the cache regeneration issue. In one folder, include as many cropped images as possible; in the other, try to have none. (To make things easier, you can use the 'Camera Raw' Filter options 'Cropped' and 'Un-cropped' to add/remove images from each Collection.)
I've just done this, and there are no regenerations in the Un-cropped Collection. The Mixed Collection has 290 cropped files, which generates about 40 extractions on focus. I'm using ACR 7.2.
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I just tried something else:
I found a folder with a high incidence of repeat extractions. It had 49 copped images in it. I edited all the crops in ACR 7.2, also making sure that they didn't touch the edges of the image. Now there are no repeat extractions!
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What do you mean by "they didn't touch the edges of the image?' And this was in 7.2, not 7.3? That is fascinating. If I still have the problem after downloading CC, I will try this. But If I remember, the test folder I created (10 images) before reverting from 7.3 to 7.2 didn't include anything that as been cropped. And I have not had the problem in 7.2
Meanwhile, sadly, it didn't take long for CC to be hacked. If that was the object in going to a subscription, it didn't exactly work.
http://fstoppers.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-has-already-been-pirated-in-just-one-day
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Can you repeat which post detailed this?
Yammer P wrote:
Unless you use my scripts.
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ycardozo wrote:
Can you repeat which post detailed this?
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5215419#5215419
Number 249
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Thanks. I do remember seeing this. When I am back on my main computer I will print it out.
Yammer P wrote:
ycardozo wrote:
Can you repeat which post detailed this?
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5215419#5215419
Number 249
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