Camera Profile Disappears from Drop-down Menu

[Bruce AB]

This may be specific to Nikon cameras, and I'll mention that I am running ACR on a Windows 10 platform. There is the ability to use profiles that match the camera profiles, and by setting preferences in ACR accordingly they can be used in addition to the Adobe profiles. The attached file "ACRSetupRawDefault" shows how I believe this is done. Then, after ACR opens a RAW file, the color profile information is displayed as shown in the attached file "ACRProfileDisplay1". Note that the selected profile is Camera Standard v2, and the drop down menu allows a variety of Adobe profiles to be selected should I prefer one of them instead of the camera profile. So far, so good. However, there is a problem in my opinion, if I decide to select one of the Adobe profiles in the drop down menu. Once I do that, as shown in "ACRProfileDisplay2", the Camera Standard v2 has disappeared and is no longer available as a selection because it is not included in the drop down menu. The only way to go back to any camera profile is to click on the four-square icon to the right of the window showing the current profile, and do a confusing search past a number of profiles to find it. To me, this is a bug. The default camera profile should be included in the drop-down menu. Any one have a comment on this? I thought I had submitted a bug report to Adobe about this a while ago but cannot find it in the system anywhere.

An additional discussion point: Does anyone really know where the camera profiles come from? I originally thought that these were Nikon derived profiles, but the more I look at it, the more I think it must be Adobe derived profiles which are an attempt to match what Nikon is doing in-camera. So why are there both camera profiles and Adobe profiles?

[D Fosse]

Not a bug, just a UI design decision. The rolldown shows the profiles in that main category. The Adobe profiles and the camera matching profiles are two categories.

Camera matching profiles are reverse-engineered at Adobe to give a similar visual result as the camera's various settings for jpeg processing. They cannot be identical, because it's a totally different raw processor. Even if you could input the same numbers, the results would be different at the other end.

You cannot use Adobe profiles and camera matching profiles at the same time. It's a choice. But of course you can make a preset using a camera-matching profile, in combination with a certain set of slider settings, and set that up as your default.

[Bruce AB]

I appreciate the reply but don't understand the reason that "you cannot use Adobe profiles and camera matching profiles at the same time". At least why you can't be consistent about how they are included in the same drop-down menu. If you look at ACRProfileDisplay1 that I posted in my original comment, the selected profile (in gray) is Camera Standard v2, and then below it you see the drop-down menu with the choices in white that it provides for profiles. Note that the first one in the list is Camera Standard v2. However, note that in ACRProfileDisplay2 it's the very same drop-down menu except that Camera Standard v2 is no longer there. In my mind that is not a UI design decision, or shouldn't be, it is a bug. The selected default is defined to be Camera Standard v2, and it should still be in the drop-down menu even if a different profile on the list has been chosen. In other words, every time the menu drops down, it should look like the one in ACRProfileDisplay1 --every time, and not later change to look like the one in ACRProfileDisplay2. Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you.