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P: Allow Crop Settings in Presets

LEGEND ,
Apr 26, 2011 Apr 26, 2011

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I would love to be able to set "crop" presets. I am a notoriously crooked shooter, and if I could have a preset that corrected my natural tendency for crooked images it would be awesome!

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New Here ,
Sep 04, 2016 Sep 04, 2016

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Another need for this feature is social media. Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter, LinkedIn etc. have their guidelines on pixel width and height for a header photo, post photo, profile photo etc. to look well on their sites. While one specifies the exact pixels through export, cropping needs to happen before to select the most intriguing part of the photo. Of course this is possible through costum cropping but I don't want to remember dozens of cropping dimensions. I want LR to do that.
Please implement this basic feature!

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LEGEND ,
Sep 04, 2016 Sep 04, 2016

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The Any Crop plugin lets you define crop presets, with both relative aspect ratios as well as exact sizes (pixels, inches, or centimeters).  (The Xmp Crop plugin mentioned above is no longer available, unfortunately.)

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New Here ,
Sep 06, 2016 Sep 06, 2016

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Thanks for your help, and it would indeed relieve some of the pain. I just checked it out and although it is a good work-around, I think it can't compete with an in-product solution, which also could be combined with development presets.
And it would be such a low hanging fruit to do.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 07, 2016 Sep 07, 2016

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"I think it can't compete with an in-product solution, which also could be combined with development presets."

Agreed.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 24, 2016 Oct 24, 2016

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It would be great if I could have a square 1x1 crop applied as a preset to images as they are imported into Lightroom. I shoot all my images in square on camera, but they are changed back once they are imported into Lightroom. Please consider adding this feature. I would upgrade simply for it! Thank you very much! I appreciate all your hard work!

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Community Expert ,
Oct 24, 2016 Oct 24, 2016

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Cropping an image is such an arbitrary thing- how is software (in a preset) to know what you want in the 1:1 crop?
To accept a default 1:1 You could simply-
1. Select all images in the folder after importing.
2. Press "R"
3. Click the "Auto Sync" switch on.
4. Set the Crop tool to 1x1
5. Click [Done]
Done!
Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.1.1, Photoshop 26.2, ACR 17.1, Lightroom 8.1, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.2, Windows-11.

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Explorer ,
Oct 25, 2016 Oct 25, 2016

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Those are 5 extra steps that I can live without. 

As a working photographer, I shoot anticipating the crop I have to make. All I'm waiting for is Adobe to get the feature in. But if they can speed up Lr for the 21st century that would be a start too.

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Explorer ,
Oct 25, 2016 Oct 25, 2016

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The bulk of my work is real estate. Deliverables, by default, are 4:3 not 3:2 that my camera shoots. I shoot hundreds of shots per day and having a 4:3 crop in my develop preset upon import would save me hours.

I've seen a bunch of "But what if the preset cropped your picture wrong?" nonsense. Puleeze! They're my shots. How about I get to make the decision how I want the treat them?  It's not like the crop is baked in. When it's wrong, I'll fix it but, I'm a professional, 90% are framed in camera for the delivery.

These kinds of unaddressed bugs are costing us and our businesses money. Can we just sort it already?!

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Community Expert ,
Oct 25, 2016 Oct 25, 2016

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Those are 5 extra steps that I can live without.
I can crop every photo in my library (thousands) in under 5 seconds using the steps in my post above. ('Hours"...never!!)
Hard to believe that many people are so time poor that 5 seconds is critical. Granted I am not a professional so 'time' is my own for which I am not paid.
Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.1.1, Photoshop 26.2, ACR 17.1, Lightroom 8.1, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.2, Windows-11.

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Explorer ,
Oct 25, 2016 Oct 25, 2016

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You obviously do not run a busy photography business, but is fine. You are entitled to your view.

Others will differ. Can't understand why it bothers some people so much if we get a functionality we desperately need, simply because they think they don't have any need for it.

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Explorer ,
Oct 25, 2016 Oct 25, 2016

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"I am not a professional"

You're entitled to your opinion Robert but, for those of us trying to feed our families, it's kind of pointless and disrespectful.

This is why we need a "Pro" app and an "Enthusiast" app.

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Community Expert ,
Oct 26, 2016 Oct 26, 2016

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we need a "Pro" app and an "Enthusiast" app.
Well said. I agree fully. Let's hope your needs are met with future versions.
Sorry Shane- disrespect never intended.
Regards. My System: Lightroom-Classic 14.1.1, Photoshop 26.2, ACR 17.1, Lightroom 8.1, Lr-iOS 9.0.1, Bridge 15.0.2, Windows-11.

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Explorer ,
Feb 23, 2017 Feb 23, 2017

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Mods, please don't roll this into another thread. I know it's been posted before - by me and others - but it needs to be read and understood by Adobe. 

Adobe, could we please have a Crop Ratio checkbox when saving Develop/Import presets - soon.

Crop Ratio can be applied across a selection in the Library module so I don't understand why we are forbidden from saving that one step and applying it during import. It makes no sense!

My camera shoots 5:4 but my market demands 4:3. Please save me time and allow me to make that little bit more money from my struggling business by allowing me to automate this step.

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 23, 2017 Feb 23, 2017

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While I understand your request not to combine thread, this would be detrimental to your request. Additional, multiple and recent posting does not aid the cause of a feature nor make it more visible.

Your feature request will carry more weight when added to the aggregate thread. By itself, it runs the risk of being buried. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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Explorer ,
Feb 23, 2017 Feb 23, 2017

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Thanks for your "help" Rikk.

 I note this thread is six years old now with no progress whatsoever on what should be a very simple bit of coding for Adobe. 

Please enlighten me on how detrimental things could be when compared to six years of inaction.

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Explorer ,
Feb 23, 2017 Feb 23, 2017

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Like others I'm also desperately waiting for this basic functionality to be added.

I bought Lightroom when it was aimed at professional photographers with features to suit. These days the direction seems to be towards useless gimmicks for smart phones etc at the expense of more useful tweaks to suit those that use Lightroom to earn a living.

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Explorer ,
Feb 23, 2017 Feb 23, 2017

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You'd think, with the amount of money Creative Cloud generates for Adobe, it would be within their scope to have someone on staff who could be addressing professional bug fixes and features. Apparently Adobe disagrees.

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 24, 2017 Feb 24, 2017

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As you throw your support behind a request such as this, I would ask you all a few questions. 

How would you expect this feature to work if:

The Crop Preset is saved on a very large image 50 MP and then applied to a small image? 
The Crop Preset is saved on a Landscape orientation image and then applied to a Portrait image? 

I see a lot of people clamoring for the feature but little in specifically how they want it to work. If I have a 3:2 landscape original and build a crop preset that crops 5:4 (with the crop also in a landscape orientation) - save it as a preset and then apply it to a 4:3 aspect ratio image which is in Portrait orientation - what should happen? 

Does the Crop Preset save only Aspect Ratio? 
Does it shift orientation as the image shifts orientation? (Landscape/Portrait)
Start at the Top Left Corner (of the image? of the crop?) 
Center the crop to the image? 
Fill the crop to frame if the image's pixel dimensions fail to match? 

I would like to see some discussion on expected behavior from those of you who need this functionality. Also describe how your workflow would be impacted - what types of images/sessions does this work well for? 

More information is always better. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 24, 2017 Feb 24, 2017

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"Please enlighten me on how detrimental things could be when compared to six years of inaction."  

Now that is part of the authoritative thread on this feature request, any information provided by Adobe goes to everyone who has this interest. I don't have to hunt for scattered threads to reply to them all...
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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New Here ,
Feb 24, 2017 Feb 24, 2017

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The feature could have multiple options to allow people to use it the way that it benefits their workflow.  At the very least, it should behave exactly like the "sync" function works for the crop setting.  In my workflow, I have a very specific aspect ratio, regardless of the orientation of the image, that I must use for a client.  It would be one less step for me to have the aspect ratio applied during the import process.  Other people might want specific pixel dimensions and/or specific locations in an image, so I think the more customizable the better.

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Participant ,
Feb 24, 2017 Feb 24, 2017

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Hi Rikki,

Thanks for asking us further about this, I first requested this feature years ago.

If you have  regular clients and they all have very specific aspect ratios to shoot for, the crop tool fails to keep this information organised. The list of crop aspect ratios is no use when a client is standing over your shoulder asking you to apply their web banner crop on an image (it only stores the last 6 or so custom ratios and if that can be converted into an existing ratio it does that automatically) - I want to go to presets and select "Client A - home page banner". Currently that information is not stored in a way that is easy to apply on the fly.


please see my answers below : 

Q - The Crop Preset is saved on a very large image 50 MP and then applied to a small image? 
A - I wouldn't have this situation, interested in aspect ratios only. Applying the crop to the image centrally would be a great start. 

Q - The Crop Preset is saved on a Landscape orientation image and then applied to a Portrait image? 
A - again, apply the crop centrally. 

Q -I see a lot of people clamoring for the feature but little in specifically how they want it to work. If I have a 3:2 landscape original and build a crop preset that crops 5:4 (with the crop also in a landscape orientation) - save it as a preset and then apply it to a 4:3 aspect ratio image which is in Portrait orientation - what should happen? 
A - I'd crop for the long edge (regardless of portrait or horizontal) and apply the crop centrally.

Q - Does the Crop Preset save only Aspect Ratio? 
A - yes, most people would adjust dimensions on export of the image. 

Q -  Does it shift orientation as the image shifts orientation? (Landscape/Portrait)
A - yes

Q - Start at the Top Left Corner (of the image? of the crop?) 
A - centre of image, not crop

Q - Center the crop to the image? 
A - yes

Q - Fill the crop to frame if the image's pixel dimensions fail to match? 
A - this could get messy, I'm sure we could deal with sync to aspect only and deal with pixel dimensions on export.

Q -I would like to see some discussion on expected behavior from those of you who need this functionality. Also describe how your workflow would be impacted - what types of images/sessions does this work well for? 
A - I touched on this earlier, if you are working professionally  you need to remove as many obstacles as possible on a shoot. Back calculating whether a crop of 2.1 x 2.97 is the same as an  8.5 x 11 crop whilst a client is watching is not fun and that's brain power I'd rather use to solve other problems on a shoot. While I am shooting clients ask me to go through and apply 4 different aspect ratios to an image so that they can see how it works for different outputs. Having a folder of a clients different aspects in the presets folder would be so useful.

Happy to answer any other questions. 

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Explorer ,
Feb 24, 2017 Feb 24, 2017

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Thanks for jumping in Rikki. Good to see some involvement. Let me start by saying I second everything makespictures has just said.

Currently we can select a group of images in Library mode and then select a Crop Ratio from the "Quick Develop menu. BAM! Done.  Could we at least have THAT available in Develop and Import presets? No reinvention, no complex algorithms, just THAT menu item as a preset. Please. 

Many of your above questions seem to be based on the notion that the finished crop would be " baked in" and this is simply not the case. Of course we will tweak the individual cropping of shots as we grade.

I feel that one of the sticking points in many of these unaddressed feature requests is the misconception that users are looking to Adobe to auto finish our shots for us - in this case for the software to "compose" my shot for me. And, as Adobe attempt to capture more of the "enthusiast" market, perhaps that may make it onto your radar.

 But I think that, for most professionals, this is the exact opposite of what we want. I think many pros just want the software to bulk apply a number of time consuming "apply-to-all" settings to bring everything to a ballpark situation for us to start the grade. This can save us hours and hours and many thousands of dollars.

Many of us run businesses, like real estate photography, school photography etc. where our delivery requirements are fixed, our margins are low and where we just need to get things done and out the door as quickly as possible to earn a living. It's not all about art (I'm very sorry to have to say) and I wouldn't use this, or many other presets, for my personal work. But for what pays the bills, I just want the software to speed up the process.

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New Here ,
Feb 26, 2017 Feb 26, 2017

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Love to see some movement here 🙂

Agreed with all above. What I would like to do is to set more than 5 custom crops and label them (just like what do you with metadata presets, import presets, etc.) so I don't need to remember more than 100 social media crops (and then there is different Wordpress themes etc.): https://www.godaddy.com/garage/webpro/design/facebook-profile-picture-size-and-more/
As mentioned above, I think it would be valuable to additionally set the following to any crop preset:
-) orientation sensitive / enforce orientation (landscape vs. portrait - many times it makes sense to keep the orientation but for the use case above it does not)
-) aspect ratio only / enforce pixel crop (again, most of the time aspect ratio is enough, but in the use case above it isn't... - if you apply enforced pixel crop on an image which is too small I would fall back to aspect ratio only, plus pixel sizes can be taken care of when exporting the photo)
-) as mentioned above I would expect the crop to be applied to the center of the photo (but also there, just like watermarking, you could make that customizable)

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LEGEND ,
Feb 26, 2017 Feb 26, 2017

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Daniel, the Any Crop plugin provides the options you describe (plus others, all based on use-cases provided by users).   Definitely not nearly as convenient as having it built-in to LR, but it provides the flexibility and can get the job done.

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New Here ,
Feb 26, 2017 Feb 26, 2017

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Thanks John, but we had this discussion half a year ago, in this very thread and my respond to this would still be the same 😉

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