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I have a BenQ SW270c which is a hardware calibrated monitor: this means the calibration software (Master Palette Element or MPE) is not running in background in Windows 11: it is just used to create the calibration profile to be stored in the monitor itself.
If I set 3: Native (or 1: aRGB) my photos in Lightroom (and in any other color managed software: Photoshop, Chrome, Microsoft Photo, Fast Raw Viewer) look correct WHILE all Windows GUI elements (i.e. icons), the photos' thumbnails in file explorer, Office etc (that is all non color managed software) look overly contrasted.
If I set 2: sRGB the non color managed software look good BUT my photos in Lightroom look flat, with strange colors.
Am I doing something wrong?
I don't know the BenQ software, but this sounds strange. It has to be able to switch calibration target and load the corresponding profile in Windows. That's a core function.
In Eizo Colornavigator you can do it in the main software interface - but there is also a separate component that loads in the Windows system tray, where you do that.
Look for something similar in the BenQ software. I've also used NEC Spectraview II, where (IIRC) there was a standalone utility packaged with the softwar
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PS: in my four example I mean
Monitor: native/sRGB, means that monitor is set to a calibration mode in native/sRGB colorspace.
Win: native/sRGB, means that in Windows, under monitor's advanced properties, I chose the native/sRGB ICM color profile generated by BenQ 's calibration SW.
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Win: native/sRGB, means that in Windows, under monitor's advanced properties, I chose the native/sRGB ICM color profile generated by BenQ 's calibration SW.
By @Giovanni Stoto
No, it doesn't mean this.
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I am going to read tomorrow (it's half past midnight here 🫣) but I still don't understand one thing.
Say I'm in the correct case 1 I posted above: my monitor is set to a calibration mode in native colorspace, the related ICM color profile (generated by the calibration SW) is loaded into Windows, the Windows GUI look terrible, I know why, but I don't care, I open a raw in LR and do my editing, before exporting into a JPG I would like to see how the edited picture will look like on a standard sRGB monitor. What do I do?
By @Giovanni Stoto
We are (now) going in circles.
Native means nothing really. Windows isn't fully color managed (like the Mac). You've shown incorrect previews (Powerpoint as an example) because the product isn't color managed. Lightroom Classic IS color managed.
Your GUI looks terrible because it appears you're on a wide gamut display, a mile from anything close to sRGB and the GUI isn't color managed.
Bottom line: IF you have a calibration and a display profile that reflects that (which wasn't the case, it appears), in any and all Color Managed applications, that preview IS correct! It doesn't matter if you don't like the preview; the scale of the numbers in the data, the calibration, and the display profile all work as they should. Outside any of this, all bets are off. Assuming sRGB on a display that may be close (worse, a mile off on a wide gamut display) from sRGB without color management is pointless because, again, without color management (profiles and preview mechanisms for them), sRGB is meaningless. It is akin to me explaining this to you in a language you don't understand.
Proper display previewing requires Calibration + Profile + Applications that know how to use them.
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OMG I don't know why we don't understand each other...
Let me try again...
I NOW understand what you mean and, unlike hours ago, I now have a monitor calibration (in monitor's native color space, which is wider than sRGB) and I have a display profile in Windows that reflects that (the ICM file generated while calibrating the monitor in its native color space), and in all Color Managed applications (Lightroom, Microsoft Photo, Chrome, Fast Raw Viewer), the preview is correct (but my PowerPoints are not, it his is normal and who cares). This is what you see in image 1 above, where I wrote "Monitor native, Windows native" meaning (again) that monitor is calibrated in its native colorspace and the matching display profile generated during calibration is loaded i to Windows.
All clear here? Ok...
I open LR, I open my raw in develop module, I do my editing.
If I want to see how this edited photo looks on most of the non calibrated monitor's out there on a computer or smartphone that does not even have a display profile loaded into Windows, how do I do that?
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OMG I don't know why we don't understand each other...
Let me try again...
If I want to see how this edited photo looks on most of the non calibrated monitor's out there on a computer or smartphone that does not even have a display profile loaded into Windows, how do I do that?
By @Giovanni Stoto
No, you can't do that! That isn't possible. Because Lightroom Classic is color managed. And it, like all color managed applications need a display profile (of this and ALL supposedly "uncalibrated" displays) just to produce a preview.
IF and when you view the video provided and understand the sRGB myth, you'll perhaps understand that what you want isn't possible. You cannot control how others see your images on the web (or elsewhere). Nor can you see what they see unless you're standing there looking at their display.
Yes, saving as sRGB is a good start, but you have no control over others who may or may not be using color managed applications (without, sRGB is meaningless), if or how they calibrate their displays, etc. The best you can do is control your images on your end using color management. All clear here? Ok... 🤔
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Then LR color proofing feature is useless.
Oh and btw, I don't want to see how a picture looks on all possible monitors, but only on an average monitor.
Well, nowadays a smartphone monitor has a wider colorspace than any laptop, so all this could even be meaningless...
And btw 2: you keep on saying I don't understand but maybe you're not able to explain...
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Then LR color proofing feature is useless.
By @Giovanni Stoto
That is absurd. And based upon an opinion from someone struggling to understand and implement color management.
I (and others, many experts on this topic) have tried to explain this to you. You came here for help, not the other way around!
Well, nowadays a smartphone monitor has a wider colorspace than any laptop, so all this could even be meaningless...
By @Giovanni Stoto
That, too is an absurd and incorrect statement. Plenty of laptops, mine included, are wide gamut (wider than your BenQ). Some phones have wide gamut displays (all iPhones since version 6), and unlike your OS, this is all color managed, and that is why they work.
“Average monitor” no such thing. What you are seeking is again not possible.
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quoting D.Fosse: "By all accounts, BenQ has raised their standards and are making good monitors now. But their software still has serious problems: https://community.adobe.com/t5/color-management-discussions/hardware-calibrated-monitor/td-p/1359696...
so the hardware calibration is unlikely to perform well it seems
I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net - adobe forum volunteer - co-author: 'getting colour right'
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management
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