Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

Report · Apr 08, 2019

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0 Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

Report · Jun 19, 2014

Please stay on topic here. This is a Creative Cloud Forum and there are

no plans to have CC on Linux systems. This matter has been in

discussion since August 2012 and people are still debating whether CC

for Linux systems should be relased or not. Adobe has no plans for

releasing CC on Linux and I thought this was very clear from reading 100

or so posts in this thread and elsewhere.

I seriously think it is time to move on and discuss what CC can do on

Windows and/or Apple Macs systems. this is more productive and

profitable for everybody than to discuss about something that is not

going to happen in our lifetime. Do you not agree?

Report · Jun 19, 2014

The other thing I wanted to mention is that Adobe has just released a

new version, "Creative Cloud 2014" and there are events all over the

world. If you are in the UK, you can register for a free event here:

<https://cn14uk.creativecloud.adobeevents.com/>

You will have a chance to discuss your requirements in person with an

Adobe representative and all your questions answered at that time.

Good luck.

Report · Jun 19, 2014

Well You can tell us to move on all you like, but the truth is the demand remains. It seems silly that the only and I mean the ONLY reason some of us have Windows systems is to run Photoshop. How about that Adobe folks, you may be solely responsible for the very existence of Windows.

Report · Jul 04, 2014

How much does it take to have our voices be heard? I'm thinking this is not about it, because there is obviously a huge user base running Linux, but marketing is another thing. I'd say you guys have a good deal with Apple and MS, even though most of you realize how unreliable those platforms are, but yeah, cash keeps flowing in, why not.

Try to convince us it's not the main reason(s) Adobe hasn't yet made a native Linux port, especially nowadays, when Linux becomes increasingly popular. How long will it take to finally make a move that should've been made years ago?

What, on the other hand, might be a no go by the Linux community is the clutter Adobe installs, that is violating every bit of privacy rights, so there are concerns on both sides.

Report · Jul 10, 2014

So, that doesn't make any sense. I used to be a developer for Morgan Stanley. I worked predominantly on Linux, as did most of the other devs at Morgan Stanley. I also worked for a company called pason which does oil well automation. All Linux, with the possible exception of the receptionist and a few being in marketing... who were on Mac (which by the way is a posix compliant system, a form of Unix). Much of large business runs on Linux, it only has shortfalls in the desktop market, and that is mostly due to lack of games and the Adobe suite (I run a windows laptop purely for the adobe suite, I have several other computers, all are Linux based). For the record, I'm hardly a hobbyist, I have been involved in web development for over 20 years now.

Report · Jul 10, 2014

Adobe products are for the desktop market and linux is not suitable for desktop work. I don't know why you guys keep going on and on about linux when it is a non-starter as far as as Adobe, Corel or Microsoft is concerned.

Your experience has been with specialist industries where Linux may be very suitable but Adobe isn't in that sort of market. Adobe has to make products for the masses and Windows is the only option to get the products out quickly without much changes or much work. GUI isn't developed yet for the linux OS.

Why don't you guys suggest something on Linux forums or newsgroups to develop their own unique products for the Linux OS? I have recently heard that the next wndows version (Let's say Windows 9) will be subscription only and so perhaps there is a chance that the uptake of Linux will increase dramatically and Linux developers should start work on various desktop products to rival Adobe, Corel or Microsoft. Surely, it makes sense for the Linux community to launch their own product range rather than asking companies like Adobe to make products for you.

Adobe is in a business and if it thinks that there is some money to be made in Linux then they will jump the opporunity to make sure they don't miss out. But as things are at present, there isn't any money to be made from making linux products. We can't argue with them because they must have conducted vaious market research in to this.

Report · Jul 10, 2014

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:

Adobe products are for the desktop market and linux is not suitable for desktop work.

Where do you live? Again one of those who haven't even heard of linux properly except for its early days when it was most suitable only for programmers and used mostly from the command line? Clearly you have no idea (and no intent of being helpful) what you are talking about and obviously haven't even tried Linux.

For the record, it's much more suitable for ANY kind of work, especially nowadays.

I will enlighten you what is Windows good for - nothing! It crashes, it gets infected, it slows down and is utterly unstable. It's an atrocious abortion of "coding" and you call it a better option for the masses, well here's what you can do:

do some research before you embarrass yourself by showing what kind of an inexperienced, corrupted individual you are.

I won't even bother commenting on the rest what you said because it's obvious, utter rubbish and anyone here can confirm. You're the only one in desperate need of an update here.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

Dear mytaxsite, have you tried Linux Mint 17 yet (Ubuntu is more Mac-line, so I suggest Mint)? Please spend some time on a little research and try it yourself, test features, test how it works. Actually it is easier to install Mint than windows, it doesn’t require console commands at all, It comes with a lost of software preinstalled, it cannot be affected by viruses and it has all modern browsers with all needed plugins running perfectly. I’m using it on my laptop and I am satisfied with it.

I've had a chat with adobe team in Russia and heard from them that they don't have any corporate request to port Cloud on Linux. Don't know if it is true or not but I know many companies using Linux. I personally use different OSes on different PC's, so on my laptop I use Linux Mint 17 (based on Ubuntu 14.04). For video editing I use Flowblade (free) and Lightworks (free for exporting 720p and importing anything/270$ for exporting Full HD), for graphics I use GIMP (with GIMP for Photoshop users mod) and Inkscape, for RAW-files I use RAW Therapee and Darktable. These tools may be not as advanced as Adobe tools, but they do their job just well. Hope this will help Linux users.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

Ilya3L wrote:

Dear mytaxsite, have you tried Linux Mint 17 yet (Ubuntu is more Mac-line, so I suggest Mint)? Please spend some time on a little research and try it yourself, test features, test how it works.

I don't need to try anything because the reality is that there is no money to be made from wasting time creating programs for the Linux market. Why isn't anybody making commercial programs for any of the Linux market? You guys have to be real. Busine4sses have to make money and if there is no money then there is no point in wasting time.

As a hobbyist and for learning purposes, Linux may be the best OS but not for commerce and industrial use where MONEY is the critical factor of the equation in deciding whether to spend time or not on Linux product.

Why can't Linux community members get together and come out with their own product? The answer is simple to me. Linux is not suitable for desktop use. If "Ubuntu is more Mac-Line" then go and buy Mac and be satisfied with it. Why do you need specific product for Linux Ubuntu?

Report · Jul 11, 2014

Inoki Sakaeru wrote:

Where do you live?

In real world actually where everything is decided by market forces and the price is determined by supply/demand curve.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

I don't need to try anything because the reality is that there is no money to be made from wasting time creating programs for the Linux market. Why isn't anybody making commercial programs for any of the Linux market? You guys have to be real. Busine4sses have to make money and if there is no money then there is no point in wasting time.

You don't need to try Linux, no. Google uses it for Android of course, so it's the most popular tablet and phone OS, as to not being able to make money off of it, Steam seems to disagree with you. They have decided to base their new gaming console off of Linux and are releasing many games for it. Other publishers are beginning to follow suit. The best 3D animation program in the world is originally a Linux program and has been ported to other systems.

As a hobbyist and for learning purposes, Linux may be the best OS but not for commerce and industrial use where MONEY is the critical factor of the equation in deciding whether to spend time or not on Linux product.

Actually Linux is huge throughout many industries, often as a desktop system. It isn't as popular in the home market, largely due to most machines shipping with Windows pre-installed.

Why can't Linux community members get together and come out with their own product? The answer is simple to me. Linux is not suitable for desktop use. If "Ubuntu is more Mac-Line" then go and buy Mac and be satisfied with it. Why do you need specific product for Linux Ubuntu?

Well, how is Adobe supposed to know the demand exists if people don't tell them? Create our own? Well, there are several products that have the same functions as the creative suite, but the sheer amount of money that has gone into developing the Adobe suite over the years means that for hobbyists to match it would take decades. Now, if they can't make enough money to cover the cost of porting it to Linux then clearly they shouldn't, but they might not know how much demand there is (since there are folks like you telling them there is no point). Now, I know that I'm a customer who uses Linux and CC, in fact I maintain a second computer just for CC, and if the Linux tools that compete ever get good enough I won't keep that up, I will drop Windows and stay with the Linux tools, even if the tools aren't as good, so long as they get past the first major hurdle of being good enough. I'm hoping that happens soon. If Adobe however embraces Linux and I can CC (hell, I don't need all the apps right away, Illustrator, Photoshop, and Lightroom would be enough if I knew they were working on the others) then I will stay with them.

Your hostility confuses me. This is people who want to let Adobe know that they ARE the market for CC on Linux. Everything you have said about Linux indicates that you know basically nothing about it. Are you a marketing rep for Microsoft? Do you just hate the idea of Open Source? I mean, it's clear that most people in this thread think this is something worth talking about. Also, you keep saying this thread is about Creative Cloud, however the subject of the thread is Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu). Is it really such a shock that all the comments are about Creative Cloud for Linux?

Report · Jul 11, 2014

"As a hobbyist and for learning purposes, Linux may be the best OS but not for commerce and industrial use where MONEY is the critical factor of the equation in deciding whether to spend time or not on Linux product."

Complete bunk! Lowes Runs their entire business off of Linux. It is a major US corporation. Linux = Less time down = Less IT workers = More money for the Company. Also Google's desktop of Choice is Ubuntu Linux.

Get real man.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

You don't need to try Linux, no. Google uses it for Android of course, so it's the most popular tablet and phone OS, as to not being able to make money off of it, Steam seems to disagree with you. They have decided to base their new gaming console off of Linux and are releasing many games for it. Other publishers are beginning to follow suit. The best 3D animation program in the world is originally a Linux program and has been ported to other systems

Posts 108 is asking me to try Mint. did you miss it?

If android is using Linux, are you asking me to buy it to try out your much hated Linux? No thank you. I rather buy another windows system so that I can get applications to run on it. I don't play games on machines so your other points are completely useless to me.

If Linux is very popular then why isn't anybody investing in it to make programs that people like you wants to buy it? Have you got a convincing answer to this question?

Actually Linux is huge throughout many industries, often as a desktop system. It isn't as popular in the home market, largely due to most machines shipping with Windows pre-installed.

I haven't seen any Linux desktops in a corporate environment yet? So these Industries you are talking about, what are they using Linux for? They can't be using Adobe products surely?

Well, how is Adobe supposed to know the demand exists if people don't tell them?

Adobe has been in business much longer than anybody can remember so their research department has the tools to gauge the demand for its products. Whinging on these forums is not going to tell them anything because they know these forums are not for Market Research purposes.

Your hostility confuses me. This is people who want to let Adobe know that they ARE the market for CC on Linux

I am not hostile at all. I am simply telling you guys to be real. Businesses have to make money and Linux users have never paid for Applications for their systems. Which product have you bought recently to run it on your Linux system?

If you are really interested in Adobe products like I am then why don't you get yourself a basic Windows system from DELL and see whether you like it or not. If you don't want to spend any money then try to install Wine on your Linux system and see if it can run Adobe products. If it does then you can write a tutorial for it on these forums and Adobe will give you a weekly space to write more about it. How about this for a change? This is your chance to get yourself published and also promote your Linux system at the same time.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

Xeon64 wrote:

Complete bunk! Lowes Runs their entire business off of Linux. It is a major US corporation. Linux = Less time down = Less IT workers = More money for the Company. Also Google's desktop of Choice is Ubuntu Linux.

Get real man.

So what you are saying that because one company runs their entire business off a Linux, Adobe should invest millions to make their products. Is that what you are saying? Now this is a very good idea. I agree with you. Just for interest sake, in your sample company, how many people would use Adobe products to do their work bearing in mind Adobe makes specialist products for professionals in specific line of work.

By the way Adobe isn't interested in "Linux = Less time down = Less IT workers = More money for the Company" because Adobe wants more IT workers who can use their products. Also, Adobe is interested to make money for itself though it helps if a client is making money then they are likely to buy Adobe products. It's all about money and profits. I am glad you are becoming realistic by the day and now talking about money and profits.

Report · Jul 11, 2014

This guy is a troll. The only way to kill a troll is to ignore it. So Adults lets ignore this poster please.

Report · Jul 12, 2014

I Agree. They develop for Windows 8 Which it runs terribly on but not Linux which is the most stable operating system out there. Downloaded Adobe Cloud to my Windows 8 laptop and windows kept crashing. Changed back to windows 7 and had no problems. Most of us "professionals" us a real operating system like Linux. Get with the program Adobe. If you make it they will come. If it's available and you pair it with a linux based Os they will come in droves

Report · Jul 12, 2014

Because of microsoft's continued poor OS, more and more people will be switching to Linux. Was in a computer store the other day and the sales man said they are pushing Linux on their customers. They even hold a Linux class once a week. Windows 8 is a complete failure.

Report · Jul 12, 2014

Windows 8 is a complete failure.

Agreed but I'm not seeing people switch to Linux.

Rather they are using Windows 7 instead in my experience.

Report · Jul 13, 2014

I tend to think that if more big companies would follow the example of VALVe and promote Linux on such a level more people would follow the example and switch.

Report · Jul 13, 2014

Linux is a great desktop Os. I am a professional photographer and use it in the field for editing using Darktable. I do use Adobe Cloud on my Mac when at home but find I don't need most of the stuff it does. There are lots of programs available for Linux And I wouldn't run any other OS on my field laptop. In today's work environment you have to pick which OS works for the type of work you are doing.

Best choice by far by far is Mac If you are a professional of any Kind you shouldn't be using anything else.

Report · Jul 13, 2014

By the way Adobe isn't interested in "Linux = Less time down = Less IT workers = More money for the Company" because Adobe wants more IT workers who can use their products.

Actually you don't need more it-workers to support linux infrastructure than to support windows-infrastructure. It's scalable so you may even need less especially if you are using smth like RedHat with enterprise support. A few years ago you could say that you need to train workers to use linux and don't have to train them to use windows, but now modern linux is more like windows than windows 8 for example. So people who suppose this now never tried a modern linux anyway,

Answering your second question, companies who use linux instead of windows use opensource products if they can. But there is also a paid version of Lightworks - this tools was used in Hollywood for years, so it can be an alternative for Premiere/AfterEffects still it's different in details. There are some Corel products like Aftershot for Linux. Many professional (paid) tools for 3D, math & developing. And so on. Why do we still need an Adobe Products? First - there are professionals who already has an experience of using the Adobe products. You don't need to train them to use GIMP & Inkscape instead of PS and AI and Lightworks instead of AP and AE. Second - advanced features of Adobe products which are unique for them. Third - the adobe standarts compatibility. Even if one day Lightworks will be able to do everything better and faster than AP/AE, you may still need to load a premiere project provided by your Editor and open it with full compatibility. The same for InDesign or anything else.

Summarizing your answers I have come to a conclusion that you know not that much about modern desktop Linux. The problem here that you don't want to learn about it.

Report · Jul 18, 2014

I am a former Mac user who switched to Windows because I can build better hardware for far cheaper. I am also one of those people who when/if Adobe ever puts out CC for Linux I will format and switch in a heartbeat. This thread has been inactive for over a year. Any word on progress?

Report · Jul 19, 2014

Hi Robert,

Thanks for passing by. This thread is now almost dead because there has never been any plans to create Cloud versions of Creative Suite for Linux but people here are still hoping for it. their hopes are misjudged and they are more likely to win the National Lottery jackpot then getting a Linux version of Adobe CC.

The fact of the matter is nobody at Adobe has ever thought of doing anything for Linux. Linux is not the platform Adobe works on. Adobe, like Microsoft, is now a productivity and platform company for the mobile-first and cloud-first world on Windows and Apple Mac system. All the products are still at client side and so using Linux is not an option unlike web-based email that can be accessed using Linux because the technology is based on server side though I have no idea whether Outlook.com can be accessed using Linux system.

Hope this answers your question for the time being. However, if you have any further questions on Windows or Mac based CC then please post back by starting a new thread.

Good luck.

Report · Jul 20, 2014

What will happen if I decided to Keep making Demands to Adobe to make a Linux version or plan an occupy Adobe until they do so the what will happen besides i can Access Outlook.com on linux so why not Adobe CC

Report · Jul 20, 2014

You can't harass anybody into submission and in fact you could be arrested if you camp outside Adobe HQ with some 150 people hoping that they will invest millions into giving you the product for Linux.

Have you though of posting on to Linux newsgroups if they have a solution how to run Adobe products on Linux? You could post your question at either of these two NG:

alt.os.linux.ubuntu

alt.os.Linux

You can make new friends there as well.