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eperea
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December 13, 2010
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Pre-Kindle Amazon e-books

  • December 13, 2010
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Some time ago I bought several e-books from amazon.com which used Adobe Digital Editions.  Recently I bought some from a different vendor, which required the current version of ADE.  After installing the new version the old titles cannot be authorized and are therefore useless.  Amazon says that I was only authorized to download the books for one year from the date of purchase, and that in any case they no longer use Adobe DRM. I can try to find similar books in Kindle.

To me this seems like outright theft of items I have bought and paid for.  I know I have spent thousands on amazon.com, but can't justify continuing the practice any more.

Last night I attempted to ask Adobe Tech Support if there was some way they could help me, but the reply was: "Please note that this error message generally comes when the book that you are accessing is hosted on Adobe content server 3. In this case, you need to contact your e-book vendor and ask them for a new download link where the book is hosted on Adobe content server 4."

Of course, this is useless advice, as he would have known if he had read my problem report, but the email address used does not allow replies and my case had been "withdrawn" so I could not add to it.

I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person who has run into this problem.  Is it common for e-book vendors to change their DRM method and render useless all they have sold previously? Should this be considered part of the risk of buying e-books?

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      Anonymous
      March 26, 2012

      Why doesn't Adobe bring pdfs to market on a physical ereader device? Lots of people would like to read ebooks in pdf but the competition aren't supporting it -- on the contrary, as you point out.

      After all, the P in PDF means portable - P as in Palm, or I-Pod...

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      Frustrated in AZ
      Participating Frequently
      March 26, 2012

      Nice idea, but off base. The issues are twofold: first, the ebook format

      for Kindles is proprietary to Amazon; next, the technology of the newer

      devices isn't within the design parameters of Digital Editions (the

      original version was brought to market before the explosion of android and

      Google powered devices. Apple also uses a different format for their OS on

      the iPads than was current at that time). So, Adobe, like other software

      houses, is playing catch-up - and probably will continue to do so for some

      time to come.

      A dedicated device for reading pdf's? Adobe is a software company. That

      could be the reason....

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      johnsimmonshypertext
      Participant
      March 20, 2012

      You are not the only one to have this problem. I spent a LOT of money on pre-kindle books from Amazon, which I am effectively locked out of. I got the same run-around from both Amazon and Adobe. I have been scammed by this company, and I have no reason to believe that I won't be scammed again by Adobe, Amazon or any other company that uses DRM. DRM does not prevent piracy, it just prevents honest consumers from accessing the content they paid for. I believe that your access rights to an ebook should be the same as a print book.  And yet, the real thieves in this case accuse DRM circumventors of being thieves (just look what Adobe did to Dmitry Skylarov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Sklyarov).

      I am no pirate, but because of the way I have been scammed out of money for books I cannot read, I now consider it a moral obligation to circumvent any DRM on any ebook that I purchase. I will not buy an ebook, unless I am relatively certain that I can remove the DRM and put an unencrypted copy in my digital library. Fortunately, DRM is inherently flawed by its nature, and this is not hard to do. Otherwise, imagine a conversation in the future:

      "I heard that grandpa had some really cool old books that are hard to find now - can I read them?"

      "Sorry - Grandpa didn't know about removing DRM, and the books are encrypted by an old scheme from a company that went broke, so nobody can read them anymore".

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      Frustrated in AZ
      Participating Frequently
      March 21, 2012

      I'm not an Adobe employee, so let's get that straight from the start.

      Adobe is only the supplier of tools to implement DRM via Adobe Content

      Server. Their method was selected as ONE of several when the publishers

      were developing digital content management as part of their efforts back in

      the early 1990's.

      Adobe isn't scamming anyone either. Since all they provide is the toolset,

      what they try to do is to protect just the toolset, and your comments about

      'look what Adobe did to so-and-so' is a distortion of what happened and

      why. But let's move on to the point I see in your comments.

      Publishers implement digital rights management by selecting the features

      that they wish to use, according to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of

      2000 (DMCA for short). When they generate the epublication, those features

      are turned on or off by the publisher. Adobe has nothing to do with that,

      nor does any other software company like Calibre, Bluefire or Overdrive.

      And that's the way it is now. The way it was before appears to be the

      issue you'd like to discuss.

      Unfortunately, nobody goes back to re-do what was done before a particular

      standard was implemented. And the issue you have is valid: you're stuck

      without the use of material that you were able to use some time ago. In

      this particular case, the latest process that includes DRM has embedded

      some controls to assure that the pre-existing materials are managed in a

      way that precludes copying them in some cases. In essence, the industry

      back-dated digital rights management. Unfair? Maybe. Can you get around

      DRM either to get back what you 'lost', or to permit you to do whatever you

      want with the material you 'own'? Yes you can - but you'd be a lawbreaker

      if you did.

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      epereaAuthor
      Participant
      March 22, 2012

      In case it was not clear from my first post, my problem is not with Adobe, but with Amazon.  I did not pay Adobe for the books, so they don't owe me anything.  Amazon does.  They have stolen from me goods which they aknowledge I have paid for.  I don't really care about DMCA or any other agreement among thieves to "legalize" theft. I merely curse the laws and the lawmakers.

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