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JMathews
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June 23, 2021
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Introducing Adobe Substance 3D Stager and Dimension update!

  • June 23, 2021
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Hi everyone!  Jeanette here, lead product manager for Dimension.  It's been a little while since I've had an announcement for the community, but I'm very happy to be able to break the silence on some exciting news.

 

Today we launched a new application - Adobe Substance 3D Stager!  Stager is built by the same team that built Dimension with a shared foundation for some technology while also being a bit reimagined.  Where Dimension was a general purpose application that was intended for those new to 3D to learn, Stager is a dedicated scene staging application that is more powerful for professional 3D artists while retaining it's approachability for those learning 3D.

 


So what are some of the key differences between Dimension and Stager?

  • Dimension was more general purpose where Stager is specifically part of the new Substance 3D Collection which offers multiple applications for an end-to-end 3D workflow including modeling, texturing, and staging.
  • The rendering engine has been updated and reworked to the Adobe Mercury Rendering Engine.  This engine is multi-technique, including both real time and ray tracing in a single engine.  It is built with entire new infrastructure for modernizing techniques, improving performance and scaling to be available on more hardware.
  • Stager's material system has been updated for a new version of the Adobe Standard Material definition with tons of new effects like displacement, subsurface scattering, dispersion, clear coat, sheen, anisotropy, and more.
  • Stager includes a variety of general new staging features including collision based layout, multi-camera resolution outputs, physical lights, and much more.

 

What does this mean for Dimension?

  • Dimension will continue to be available as part of Creative Cloud All Apps plans - there is no change to it's availability!  To see Dimension Creative Cloud desktop go to settings > apps > and enable "Show older apps" setting.
  • Dimension doesn't have any major planned releases right now  - we'll be putting new features into Stager, but we will provide support updates for Dimension!
  • You can open Dimension files in Stager to take advantage of all the new features - also try Stager out for a full 30 day free trial!

 

Want to learn more about everything?  Check out some of these resources:

 

We're really excited about the opportunity to build a new family of 3D applications that work seamlessly to provide an end-to-end experience for modeling, texturing, and staging 3D models and scenes and we hope you enjoy the new Substance 3D Stager app!

 

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Edit: 8/17

Thank you all for the great conversation on Dimension and Stager.  It's clear there's a lot of passion and excitement for amazing staging apps, and I take my duty to the community seriously.  Please know that all of your concerns about pricing, confusion on the Dimension status, and Stager future, have been escalated to our leadership teams and we're working on some possible improvements!

Here's a round up of the latest information based on some questions and discussion that have happened in various threads:

Dimension

  • Dimension is still part of Creative Cloud All Apps plan.
  • Dimension is currently hidden by deafult on Creative Cloud Desktop.
  • To see Dimension you must go to CCD > Preference > Apps > and enable "Show older apps"
  • The "Show older apps" option may be disabled by administrators for education and enterprise organizations.
  • We are actively working to REVERSE this so that Dimension is not hidden, as it is confusing and inaccurate.
  • Update 8/19: This is now reversed!  Dimension is available by default and you no longer need to enable "Show older apps".
  • Dimension is NOT end-of-lifed, but we are not working on new features for it (at this time).


Stager

  • Stager is exclusive to the Substance 3D Collection plan. 
  • There are currently not any single app plans for Substance apps - we are investigating this possibility!
  • It is not currently planned that any Substance apps will be added to the CC All Apps plans.
  • HOWEVER, the exception is that Substance 3D Collection is free for those with CC All Apps for Higher Education.
  • HOWEVER, the limitation is that Substance 3D Collection for Higher Education is available for Shared Device Licensing (SDL) and Feature Restricted Licensing (FRL).  It is not yet available for Named User Licensing (NUL).
  • We hope to work on Named User Licensing for Higher Edu support, but I don't have a clear timeline on that.  It's months at least.  Unfortunately there's little we can do to accellerate this.  Adobe licensing land is a bit complicated and we have people working on it!

 

As always I try to be as transparent as possible with the community, but there's limits to what I can say on a public forum.  Everything is subject to change, and I will do my best to communicate as we move forward!

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    54 replies

    Ussnorway7605025
    Legend
    June 23, 2021

    I think we define 'seamlessly' in different ways J but good luck with the new project and thanks for letting us know... its been a good run 😉

    JMathews
    Community Manager
    JMathewsCommunity ManagerAuthor
    Community Manager
    June 24, 2021

    This is the first release of these new apps under one family as an end-to-end, so lots of room to improve, but the vision is seamless, haha.

    Adobe Principal Product Manager, 3D & Immersive
    JeanetteMathews
    Adobe Employee
    Adobe Employee
    June 23, 2021

    Just a comment on the pricing - we believe it's best for everyone if we keep the plans separate.  3D is not used by everyone and we didn't want to increase the price of the All Apps plans for all users.  Having separate plans allows you to choose the 2D or 3D apps if you need only one - or both if you need both!

     

    Dimension remains available as part of Creative Cloud All Apps for continued use!  The Substance 3D app ecosystem is a new more powerful end-to-end 3D offering that will continue to grow.  

    We hope that this makes it flexible for you to make choices about what you need.

    Participant
    June 5, 2023

    Based on this, then the argument could very easily be made that not everyone uses video, animation, or web design either… yet those are all included in the ALL APPS plan?!?! Back in the early 2000's there was a package called Creative Suite that had options for what print desingers needed most… Illustrator, InDesign, and Photoshop. There clearly needs to be a few 'tiers' of packaging with Adobe products today as well… I'm paying for an ALL APPS plan, yet do not get 'all apps'. I'd much rather have a package option that allowed me to not pay for thigns such as Premiere, After Effeccts, Animate, and Dreamweaver… but I pay for them because I need to have more than just Photoshop and Lightroom— which the only other 'tier' available outside of the all apps plan. As a print designer, 3D mockups of marketing materials is important, so if I'm paying for an all apps plan to include InDesign and Illustrator, I should get Substance included as well… that way I can mockup a company's print materials onto products. Makes sense, no?!?! 

    Participant
    June 23, 2021

    I'm excited about this but I'm already paying for the Adobe All Apps plan, so doesn't seem fair. I recommend adding these apps to a new all apps plan at a more reasonable price. 

    Known Participant
    June 23, 2021

    love the work you guys put into this app but its unbelievable that you'd block already preexisting paying users from getting further features in what could be their main program. I use dimensions for each one of my projects and have been eagerly waiting for new features just for Adobe to tell me I have to pay another 30$ USD a month on top of my already expensive creative cloud subscription. this is completely unbelievable.

    Known Participant
    June 24, 2021

    Yes, it seems that after spending all of the time I did to learn how to model custom objects from shapes in Illustrator, into Photoshop and then bringing them into Dimension (and still not have all of the abilities to do what I would like with animating and eventually bringing them into something like After Effects), why would I want to pay more money and continue to have to increase my learning curve with these new applications, when I could've just spent all of this time and become more skilled at the FREE application Blender which allows me to do what I need and oh so much more? Seems like folks may move this route, Adobe?

    Participating Frequently
    July 8, 2021

    I think your point of view is on every one's mind! This new addition should be added to the existing list of Adobe Creative Cloud apps