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I'm not trying to be argumentative but I think you are doing the points I raised and injustice, I want to have a meaningful conversation.
You made a point about renting a car vs. buying. In your point you made an assumpition, you automatically went to the sipulation someone had the money to buy a car outright. In that case the choice of vehicle they get is limited by the cash they have on hand, so many/most people actually finanace/ rent to own their car with a monthly payment, and those who are wealthy often lease their vehicles so they can always have the latest model and avoid covering much of the maintance themseles. The Adobe CC model is more akin to leasing than renting based on your analogy, which is the practice of many who could easily afford to buy the vehicle of their choice outright.
You make a point about long term gain, and I like your thought process, but I feel its an oversimplification, I hope your not offended by that. Let me elaborate, the reason it is not straightforward is because there are other factors. For example, Adobe InDesign CS6 is 32bit vs CC which is 64bit. In print publishing when dealing with larger multipage documents this can be a huge performance difference and a trade off in time and productivity, which can translate very easily into quite a bit of money. log
To use the car analogy if you buy a $5000 2006 used car cash, but have to spend $1200/yr over 3-4 years on repairs repairs you've spend nearly $10K on a car that is a bit older than less than what you want. If you had went into a carnote of $200/mo on a 2010 model over the same period of time you get a warrarnty, some free oil changes and spend roughly the same amount for a better experience.
You're not at the mercy of a large corporation anymore than your own clients are at your mercy as a vendor in my view. There are other services we all use montly. Are we at the mercy of our internet and phone providers (it cetrainly feels that way sometimes, sure), I don't disagree with you entirely on that point, but I feel its a larger argument referencing 1984 that we are likely on the same side of if we don't agree on everything about, that I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on outside of this forum.
Your other point, "Im the only one happy with the one option". Its not a matter of "happy" so much as practicality. I don't think Adobe could be leveraged into chaning their business practices anymore than Apple could from consumer outcry, we never got Flash back into Apple products from it, Tmobile never caved on giving back free tethering. So I just don't think its a fight that is productive use of energy.
I also understand from another perspective that the choise is also somewhat ideologically based within a cultural shift in Adobe, part of this has to do with conversations I've had with people who work closely with Adobe at other companies and from articles and interviews with various people in the industry. It's part of a much bigger picture and I think it hits the tone of this forum. Its a matter of what people value that puts them on one side of a conflict or the other. What I value is what puts me in favor overall of Creative Cloud and that also has to do with the fact I have not negatively been impacted by it. "From Anikin's point of view Adobe is evil..."
"Using the same reasoning you could buy pretty much any crap you want. Just because you can afford something, doesn't make it a necessary or smart buy. Please enlighten me, what features of CC are absolutely essential for creating your Youtube channel content?"
Essential is not the word I would use. Convenient is. In truth anyone using Apple products understands this point. So in this thread that point is almost moot but I will entertain it anyway. I could just as easily (and laptop wise I do) do the same work on a Windows Machine as Mac. So why pay extra for a Mac? (Don't everyone in thread jump in at once here).
But fine. Firstly because I can do screen cast demonstrating the new features in each Adobe CC product, it means I can produce more content subject matter wise with little effort. It also means that I can do VS videos detailing the difference advantages and pitfalls of both versions, more content.
This videos have a high SEO value and are in demand and each individual video that I do in this vien tends to make $15/video in its first month only taking 45mins to produce each individual video tops (reduced from a longer time period due to some improvements in Premiere Pro CC that effect my particular editing workflow.) And obviously since the videos stay online they can make more money as they grow in popularity. They also contribute to stickyness on blogging sites, which with Google Adsense also means more money. So a better faster video production workflow that saves time could be argued to be "Essential" but I just find it convenient.
InDesign CC being 64bit actually makes my printwork go a bit faster when I have do posters (which is quite lucrative), those time savings let me do other things. Opportuntiy cost.
AfterEffects CC has a lot of improvements that are too numerous to list but the obvious one is Cinema4D lite, which I'm enjoying a bit and will be a large part of my future After Effects videos, and saves me the time of working in another application and having to import into AfterEffects.
Illustrator and Flash CC have nothing new for me that I use. I love Illustrator but CS6 is fine for this app since that was its upgrade to 64bit. Convenience and a better workflow and user experience is worth the money as I'm sure anyone here owning a Mac or iPhone can attest to...
"Yes let's all just be happy and sing songs together. No matter what Adobe does to us. Eternal slavery... la-la-la-la-la... 2.9 million stolen credit cards, la-la-la-la. Buggy software... la-la-la-la! Let's stop all this whining and just praise Adobe for it's greatness!,
Moving on profiting and remaining positive despite shifts and changes in the industry or even your own personal situation is a sign of strenght and character, I wouldn't make light of it. Eternal Slavery... I thouht we were talking about software not Marriage, 
Adobe does deserver praise for its accomplishments. I'm not saying its without its flaws. But I don't have a hardware or software vendor or service provider that I couldn't makes some complaint about at some level.
Adobe products allow me to do the work I need to do. CC allows me to do somethings more convenietly than I could otherwise, and the workflow is faster and more intuitive than I have experienced with alternatives, many of which I own and have perpetua license for. And incidently I do still have a few miscelaneous standalone Adobe product licences incluidng one for InDesign CS6. So do I feel trapped by Adobe? No. I didn't put myself in a position to.
If the cost is the issue I think we've covered at length that its a simple enough problem to solve. If the relationship or slavery is the issue, its a relation ship you already have with every monthly or yearly service provider you have. Most of us pay more than that for our cable for mere entertainment, so from that perspective I have a hard time rationally not writing it off as a non-issue for something that can potentially make you money.
I understand that my words probably haven't swayed many of you. Thats fine. But I wanted to make several points. Your choice was based on whats right for you. If you expect people to respect your choices, you can't be insultive or dismissive about other people's choices if they have a rational basis and they've explained their reasons to you. Obviously if they've made the choice arbitrarily they've opened themselves up for citicism. I sincerely doubt that most Creative Cloud users made their choice without thinking, anymore of those of you not in favor of it did.
Creatives are some of the most intelligent people making up the world, if we can't respectfully disagree with one another without insults and belittling, the world may as well burn. We have enough people out there to devalue us without doing it ourselves.
Its not only students and bootleggers that benefit by the way. As I pointed out, my friend Jon, who was a photoshop and lightroom user, paid user by the way, expanded his business through the Creative Cloud without the up front risk of investment, since he had to invest that money in a few new leneses later moving over to the video production side, it was a wise business decision for him to grow his business and make more money.
So you will have to forgive me for not hoping on the Bash Brothers Band Wagon, but I can't rationalize that anymore than I could side with the people who hate constantly one Apple, Samsung or Nikon when my product experience with them has been consistently good and profitable, on top of the fact there are reasonable solutions to most of the negative scenarios in dealing them.
Wow! Did I just understand correctly that if you use your old email address and upgrade to CC, Adobe removes your old CS6 license? And do you get that licence back if you stop using CC? 
If this is really true then couldn't you basically destroy your CS6 Master Collection license just by trying CC for some months? Haha, say it ain't so Adobe!
Jim I really hope so!
Just wondering why RobertoBlake wrote:
One suggestion I've put out before is, don't upgrade but get a subscription under a different email account.
You see this way, you are not giving up the freedoms that your current perpetual license gives you, but you also have an opportunity to benefit from using the latest software
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