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The problem is any user without detailed coding knowledge can produce better and more advanced web apps, faster than him using the tools you described in DW or with wappler.
The problem is these tools provide regular users with visual tools to create dynamic websites with back end data API and front end tools similar to angular and vue while he (osgood_ who only codes manually) struggles to use an easy to use front end js framework like vue 
and he (osgood_ who only codes manually) cannot deliver anything even close to what people using these tools can.
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Why then do you spend so much time on the forum addressing what you perceive as the incapable abilities and vast inadequacies of every single "editor" tool known in existence? Plus seemingly judging the vast otherwise unmeasurable personal abilities of others using any of these "editor" tools? Each done while presenting both with such a brash and condescending approach on your part, with little too no humility toward others.
You're not following the thread, please do some reading and do some research before posting, its becoming really tedious to have to keep correcting posters who dont bother to read what I'm posting. (and that's as polite as I can be 
). Im NOT discussing any editors capabilities to produce design/layout, Im discussing the code it/they produce. There is a BIG BIG difference you know, right?
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Everyone starts somewhere and everyone filters through various editors, tools, workflows and approaches across their career -- no?
Yes, I started somewhere and made huge mistakes, wasted lots of time, mostly using AP divs if you were around at the time those were an optional choice in DW. I want to prevent that happening to anyone who is seriously considering a web-development career long term, not that there is much hope of that in this forum, but I can dream
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You make it seem like you were fluent with PHP, Javascript, etc., the moment you plugged in your first modem and launched a text editor back when you started? Maybe so, otherwise I simply don't understand why you come across as you do most times.
Absolutely not and again if you follow me in this forum over the years I defy anyone to find a post where I have said I'm perfect although for some strange reason a select group of forum users seem to think that is what Im saying or implying, never I'm not that way inclined. Just because I critic something and express my opinions and doubts about certain aspects of web-development doesnt make me wrong or those who oppose my opinions right.
Whilst I am called all kind of things by Ben mostly 'small-minded' in this thread - its strange how the regulars who post, most who hate my guts see that as invisible yet they are quick to berate me for retaliating. I actually find it quite amusing, funny and entertaining to expose their insecurities and weaknesses.
I specifically asked Ben did his mentor George say that Brians website was ugly - strange its all gone silent on that front, so I must be right, infact I know I'm right, yet again - BUT he berates me for suggesting the website is not as polished as it maybe should be. I didnt see him berate George.
He calls me a spy yet his other old aquaintance Thedore or whatever the guys name is is 'spying' in this thread and liking Bens post/s.........my sides are really, really hurting you know from the laughter and amusing comments, two faced or what.
I rest my case.
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osgood_ wrote
for some strange reason people seem to think that is what Im saying or implying
I guess seek out the common denominator, that may provide the answer as to why that happens.
Yes, the common denominator indeed - that could be those with ineficient skills and experience to anylase what I'm posting in which case they shouldn't reply with responses which are quite frankly embarrasing for them, or it just could be me
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Well thats interesting, since previously in this thread you lumped Wappler & Pinegrow with the likes of Wix & Webflow. Yet Pinegrow by contrast works with native user source, what restricts Wappler from doing the same "as an editor" if someone desires? So yes big difference as you say, so it seems rather strange to not understand the basic differences of Wappler / Pinegrow vs Wix / Webflow.
What I said, if you care to read the post again (please read the post and stop reading what you think Im saying into the post). I said Wappler will find a niche market, as have all the other editor you mentioned that you say I mentioned, nothing about Pinegrow, Wix, Webflow in respect of producing propriotary coding. Geez........ you're the one also posting links all over the place in other threads about Wappler v Pinegrow (defending Pinegrow, good on you mate if you feel passionate about something) now you inform me I'm not allowed to have an opinion about what I think.
All this Re: CSS Grid and Variables . Yet you appear to still keep looking for a mythical editor and certain requirements, when above you clearly said "any editor" will do in the right hands? I'm assuming based on your comments you own a pair of those hands, so its a bit amusing.
I'm not looking for any mythical editor I CAN USE ANY EDITOR AS I CAN CODE - I do own a pair of those hands yet I'm not so sure what is amusing about being able to code (you make it sound shameful), do tell me. if one disappears I simply move to another editor transparently.
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You could probably place that in a recursive loop and condition it with the common denominator and a break. Allowing you to speed up finding the answer to the "strange reason" your speak of. But yeah that was not brash or absent of humility on your part. 😉
I make no excuse for getting the facts right, if you and others are too lazy to keep in touch with what goes on or are just not interested then that is your problem.
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One thing is for sure, you never disappoint in providing amusement around here, just too bad its always at the expense of others.
I'm glad to be of service, keep reading and you might learn something.
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Here's a tidbit fellow common forum user, on this forum us basic users can't delete or edit our posts once another person posts following us in a thread. So there is no need on your part to constantly be quoting others 'entire posts' seemingly fearing that might happen.
Well that is good to know - at least all the drivel I have to read at times remains in 'Black & White' so I can refer back to cover myself when I'm constantly being accused of supposedly saying something I havent or something that someone else has posted that they conveniently forget.
I have no idea where much of what is being 'said' now has come from.
Correct me if I an wrong Os, but what I think you are asking is similar to the question I asked on Saturday, in that I wish to know, 'how easy is it to extend the code that back-end extensions produce'?
An example -
An auto customisation workshop, which a web developer, (insert your name here) produced a site for last year, has grown. The owner has aquired two more workshops in other towns/cities, they now want the sites for all three workshops to be joined and offer customers the opportunity to customise their autos on-line and book their autos in for servicing. The auto could be transported to any of the workshops, for the work to be carried out.
How expandable is the back-end code, (and to some extent the front-end) produced by extensions to easily cater for such extensibility, or would custom, (hand) coding be easier?
I hate to say this , but Adobes Experiance Manager would also be a candidate here, especially when the client is hopping to expand the number of workshops over the next few years, (modular coding may be a good option).
Edit -mistakenly wrote extension manager instead of Experiance manager, (have extension manager on the brain).
It is actually really easy to customize backend like this, and that's why it's better to have backend separated from front end (talking about dmx) and not having all the backend PHP code put on each front end page.
The server connect extension offers scalability and modularity - so you can reuse and customize the components you define 
You can have one single backend API (server action) responsible for many front end pages/apps ( different cities, different cars, different options) and it is easy to have custom setup for each front end option (workshop/city etc).
That's why I said I couldn't be happier ditching WebAssist extensions for dmx.
EDIT: let me give you an example of a similar case I worked on. I built the site and the intranet system for a big tech park including hundreds of companies, renting offices there.
They required a reservation system for a conference room (available for a couple of companies) - including part of the day for the selected room to be rented (morning, lunch, afternoon). Then a couple of months later they required to integrate more conference rooms, for all the companies in different buildings and required adding "items" to rent for each room (different per room) like projectors, catering, whiteboards etc.
The conditions for the "items" were quite complicated and depended on things like - which day at what time you can rent the room, and what time of the day is the "item" available.
This task I have completed in a couple of hours by just updating backend (using the UI) and then updating 2 template files with the front end component UI.
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