CSS Grid and Variables

[mtartist]

So to be clear, I have been a loyal supporter of DW since before Adobe acquired it from Macromedia, I owned GoLive and used it for many years, but I have to say I am very disappointed in the support we have today for CSS Grid and Variables - two things that are destined to make design for the web a shit ton easier... Adobe is way behind the curve on these... since Oct of 2017 this, put simply, has been the only way to design for the web. Nothing else makes sense. I believe I am moving to MS VS Code, because it is even better than Brackets in responding to the evolution of the web. But I want the powers that be at Adobe to know why they have lost my loyalty and my money... and to those struggling designers out there that wish to keep up. The clear choice is VS Studio Code - it is FREE, it works and it supports the latest algorithms published by the leading web browsers... you can see changes in your advanced CSS in real time... no preprocessors, no git, no bs.

[pziecina]

The more I look at Dreamweaver, the pre-release/cab participants and the feature requests Dw has, the more I don't blame Dw for its lack of support for many features.

Requests for support of many old techs that now have less than a 1% market share, that also appear to have a higher than expected support base (20+ votes) compared to other feature requests, often simply because those using them have ignored what is happening in IT and web development, can only contribute to the Dw team ignoring what is happening, and explains in some ways the lack of support for modern W3C specs. This only illustrates that many Dw user are more interested in support for old methods and server techs that are being abandoned, than they are in the future.

Developers have been adopting flexbox for a number of years now, and css animations, but Dw has ignored this trend because many of those using Dw simply have no idea how to use Flexbox or css animations. That statement may be true for you, or not, but like everything else in Dw it shows how little the avarage Dw user thinks of anything beyond what has been available since IE6.

css grid layouts and variables have been discussed in this forum a number of times, but unless Bootstrap starts using both in the next version, (5) don't expect good support until then, and certainly don't expect anyone to take notice of anything said in this forum.

[Nancy OShea]

DW does not do everything I would like it to -- currently, no editor does.  But DW does many things very well and that's why I keep using it. 

[pziecina]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote

DW does not do everything I would like it to -- currently, no editor does.  But DW does many things very well and that's why I keep using it. 

I'm not saying Dw is all bad, just that a lot of the complaints I read are about lack of support for features that users should have stopped using years ago, and many of the newer specs and requirerments are probably getting lost amongst the number of 'feature requests' to bring back support for those old techs.

That said, when the Dw team fails to know what is happening in web development, then Dw and its users are only going to suffer.

[Nancy OShea]

pziecina  wrote

I'm not saying Dw is all bad, just that a lot of the complaints I read are about lack of support for features that users should have stopped using years ago...

I hear you.  It's like some people never moved much beyond  ASP, APDivs and  HTML styles.  

[B i r n o u]

since the beginning of this thread I have read carefully all the exchanges, and several times I almost dared to answer and then I did not ... but it's interesting to see the directions that each exchange took ..

[pziecina]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

since the beginning of this thread I have read carefully all the exchanges, and several times I almost dared to answer and then I did not ... but it's interesting to see the directions that each exchange took ..

Go on Birnou, be a devil and join in .

[B i r n o u]

just take a break, relax, listen lvem, or Silver Mt Zion, or Daturah, or Mono.. take a deap breath... enjoy vine, or bear... and share it with friends...

[osgood_]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

just take a break, relax, listen lvem, or Silver Mt Zion, or Daturah, or Mono.. take a deap breath... enjoy vine, or bear... and share it with friends...

Retire in other words.........sounds better every time l hit a wall which is quite frequent these days plus lve been snowed in for 4 days, that cant be helping my mood............a whole 2cm has bought everything to a stand still in the uk.

[pziecina]

osgood_  wrote

Retire in other words.........sounds better every time l hit a wall which is quite frequent these days plus lve been snowed in for 4 days, that cant be helping my mood............a whole 2cm has bought everything to a stand still in the uk.

Meanwhile 50 miles away, we have 80cm snow drifts, all the roads into the village blocked and the pub is running out of house wine, so one must buy it by the bottle.

Not all bad though, a local farmer passes my cottage every evening, with his tractor and snow plough, so getting to the pub is no problem. He even clears the road on his way home.

[Nancy OShea]

pziecina  wrote

...all the roads into the village blocked and the pub is running out of house wine, so one must buy it by the bottle.

I guess I can't complain much about the rain showers in California .

[WolfShade]

Way off topic, but both east and west coasts are getting blasted, right now.  New England might be getting a "cyclone bomb".

Glad I'm smack in the middle.

V/r,

^ _ ^

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/03/02/updates-winds-are-howling-and...

[pziecina]

WolfShade  wrote

Way off topic, ...

What was the topic?

Oh yes, css grid layouts and css variables.

css grid layouts are supported in code hints in Dw 2018, but that is it. As for css variables, maybe when the Dw managment and its advisors wake up to the modern web they will be included in code hints, but you can guarantee they will not include the creation of fallback css for none supporting browsers, because the same people who say Dw does not require a stand-alone css auto-prefixer, are now having to use utilities like pre-pros with Dw's bootstrap v4 implementation.

Don't ask Dw to include anything that is required for the modern web, part of the w3c specs, or requires more knowledge to use than someone who does not know how to code. If you do you will be ignored for the foreseeable future, after all you managed without them before, so why should they be included now, (or in my case since 9 years ago, when I first started filling feature requests for many of the still missing items).

[anissa_thompson]

You are so close - we gotta meet up one day soon...