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Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?

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November 22, 2017
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In 2017 using Dreamweaver do you still hard-code your web design?

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pziecina

Brainiac

As this discussion has been re-activated, I would like to point out to everyone the biggest problem with answering such a general question.

It all depends on what one is developing.

There is a very big difference in a site/app that is for an individual or small company costing single or tens of thousands, and a site/app that is for an enterprise level company/organisation costing hundreds of thousands +.

The techs used are often the same, (contrary to what many may think) html, css, javascript, svg and php/c#, sql. It is what support that is required of those techs that changes. One may only require that of 10 years ago, the other may require cutting edge, and which type of site requires what, is not always what one may think.

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Fa310tx

Known Participant

I do the coding in Dreamweaver's code view, but I agree with others that CC2018's Brackets implementation is lacking.

The biggest annoyance, to me, is moving highlighted code around.

I used to be able to select anything and drag it.

Now, it seems like I can only move whole lines that I selected from the line number gutter.

JJ

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Anonymous

Yes, I have no shame in saying I have been true to Dreamweaver since the late 90's/early 2000's. I have always hand-coded my websites with it, but I take advantage of its assistance with coding speed and live previews. Just like any other program, it has SOME glitches/bugs from time to time, but Adobe gets around to fixing these as soon as they can. I have used Dreamweaver professionally now for over 10 years and I have always been able to complete my tasks. I have tried other editors, but I feel like Dreamweaver has everything you could really want as far as front end designing goes.

B i r n o u

Adobe Expert

I hope that Teodor's post, as interesting and legitimate as it may be, will not come once again to obscure my last question posted in two different threads ...

so I ask it again, just in case

as the thread only focus on Wappler... please did anyone has tested Pinegrow, ?

I just saw in the doc that it allowed to directly build themes for WP https://pinegrow.com/wordpress-theme-builder.html and http://docs.pinegrow.com/v4/bootstrap-blocks/bootstrap-blocks-for-wordpress/

I'm curious

pziecina

Brainiac

You would probably get better feedback on Pinegrow, in a wordpress forum Birnou.

B i r n o u

Adobe Expert

Thanks Paula, but Pinegrow doesn't seams to be only WP based... it can also be compared to Wappler ... don't you think ?

Pinegrow Web Editor | Website Builder for Professionals

B i r n o u

Adobe Expert

so far from hard coding... anyway... as the thread only focus on Wappler... I re ask the same question, than in an other thread... please did anyone has tested Pinegrow, I just saw in the doc that it allowed to directly builf themes for WP https://pinegrow.com/wordpress-theme-builder.html and http://docs.pinegrow.com/v4/bootstrap-blocks/bootstrap-blocks-for-wordpress/

I'm curious

pziecina

Brainiac

I go on holiday for a week, and find that no one uses Dw, or is planning on moving to Wappler.

Now to the OP's question, (as i understand it).

Hard coding i interpretate as static code, with nothing dynamic included, which i will do if required, but Dw is now for me dead, (Adobe should take a good look at the roadmap, as it is alienating many long time users of Dw).

Reading other posts, i begin to wonder if we should change the Dw forum format, as I am uncertain about the seriousness of it continuing as it currently is. Even those who profess to being Dw supporters, members of CAB and pre-release are in both this and other discussions presenting two different opinions, here they support Dw, in other discussions, (and sometime those who are honest also in this one) are looking to move to another program, or already have.

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osgood_

Brainiac

pziecina wrote
I go on holiday for a week, and find that no one uses Dw, or is planning on moving to Wappler

Im already finding the timing of that a bit of a joke. Wasnt the public beta meant to come out 10 days after the closed beta ended or did the closed beta gets extended and then extended again until it got extended again after most of the program was rewritten because the beta testers, who were all quite old, suddenly died and the developers of said program thought it might be a good idea to include bootstrap 5, which wasnt even developed yet, so it all became very confusing and the project was put on hold for thanks giving at which point everyone got a bit bored and got on with their lives? Is that the Wappler which is being referred to here or is it Bootstrap 4 in disguise with a couple of limited extensions thrown in for good measure?

Happy days are hear again...

Teodor K

Participating Frequently

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K wrote
Hello designers, coders, developers
I am so excited to see people are discussing something which they have never seen, but thanks for the 'feedback' anyway.
Just a note from DMXzone/Wappler team: Wappler is everything but not far behind, a joke or out of date
Postponing public beta (in fact only once) was just a decision we made, as we actually want to collect more feedback from the selected beta testers, instead of collecting feedback from people never really touched DW and this decision has nothing to do with going behind schedule, so your suggestions are not even close to the reality
Even more - one thing which got us extremely excited and happy were the 500+ people which we talked to, demonstrated to and which had hands on experience with Wappler on our stand at this year's Web Summit conference. We received valuable feedback from them, and their reactions to the product also solidly confirmed we are going into the right direction. So, we may not be posting a lot about Wappler, but that is because we are busy working on it.
Regards,
Teodor Kuduschiev
DMXzone.com

So why didn't you just shut up until you had collected the information from the first closed beta period? Obviously whoever announced a public beta would follow shortly after a 10 day closed one was misinformed or just didnt realise the product was no where near ready.

Anyway it's not going to be released this year, unless your marketing team is crazy as well, so happy Christmas.

All I'll add is it better be a lot better than something like Bootstrap Studio, which it sound like, with some additional limited dynamic capabilities. Only time will tell but it might wel be just another application in a graveyard of applications aimed at non-coders.

Well, simple - we didn't shut up, because our plans have changed in the meantime

I just love how everything is being judged in this forum by 4 people providing their valuable feedback for products they have no idea about

---DMXzone | Wappler

Ussnorway7605025

Brainiac

i hand code when I need to make my own... I use Dreamweaver when I need to fix someone elses code

B i r n o u

Adobe Expert

being addict to pen and rought paper, and coming from the plastic arts, it's hard to find a digital tool under hands... yes having multiple screens , a wacom and a video/sound system near

so I don't use DW to code... it is not well adapted for my workflow.

Dw is a great and unique tool to manage projects, have a general view of web sites and being able to quickly patch here and there some glitchs, dispatch sources files to the appropriate tools (on that point, the definition of a basic text editor that has been removed is severely lacking)...

for coding purpose which is one of my own principal activity, I use sublime text or visual... surrounded by tools like emmet, sass, some gems and of course a php framework based on WP/MariaDB. I often use ultraedit studio which offers a range of organizational tools quite remarkable

most of the time much of the tasks are handle by gulp, grunt or npm

but as I said above, DW remains an essential tool for the management and quick start of projects.

BenPleysier

Adobe Expert

It all boils down to using the right tool for the project at hand. Fortunately I find that I use Dreamweaver most of the time because it serves me best. With the inclusion of Less/Sass and Git along with extensions, I find that I am using other tools less and less. All we need now is a way to concatenate and minimise the JS files and we are home and hosed.

Wappler is the DMXzone-made Dreamweaver replacement and includes the best of their powerful extensions, as well as much more!

Nancy OShea

Adobe Expert

I mainly work in Code View with HTML, CSS, jQuery or JavaScript, PHP and SQL.

If I'm adding content to an existing site layout, I occasionally use Design or Live View.

I never use the CSS Designer Panels. For me, code hinting and auto-completion are much faster than panels.

Nancy O'Shea— Product User, Community Expert & Moderator

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osgood_

Brainiac

Dreamweaver, or any other editor, I always manually code a website, no html frameworks, extensions or plugins. I personally think it pays off to do so in respect of being able to manipulate coding to dance to your tune, others will disagree and go down the route of using front-end frameworks, extensions etc. Each to their own, whatever the individual think is best for themselves but dont expect me to endorse using front-end frameworks, plugins and extensions based on years of experience and now enjoying all the freedom that being a skilled coder affords you.