Brainiac

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Interesting times ahead

Forum|Forum|8 years ago
October 9, 2017
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This should be an eye opening period in the coming few weeks - 'W' It's going to be interesting to see if the few die hard supporters of certain extensions around here and those that shout out for server-side tools to be re-introduced are going to abandon DW. It sounds a bit Muse like-ish on steriods, in any case the rhetric, as far as I can determine at the minute, it's not for coders, so it's probably going to suit the demographic of this forum quite well.

Happy days - the more the merrier.

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pziecina

Brainiac

Just noticed the start date of the open beta for Wappler, 18th October.

Guess what date Adobe Max begins this year

(coincidence, or not?)

Nancy OShea

Community Expert

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert

pziecina

Brainiac

Just a thought, but if the Dw forum questions are anything to go by, (especially those by none coders) then dmx are going to have to expand their current user forums to include more people with experiance of the product(s).

I wonder if they have planned for that from day 1?

O

osgood_Author

Brainiac

pziecina wrote
Just a thought, but if the Dw forum questions are anything to go by, (especially those by none coders) then dmx are going to have to expand their current user forums to include more people with experiance of the product(s).
I wonder if they have planned for that from day 1?

Well that is just a natural progression. You will get some who will embrace the product, assuming its any good and become 'expert' The forum (I didnt know they had one) will just expand naturally to include the product.

I don't know if it will have a coding environment in addition to the visual environment, if it does I may well take it for a spin if not then its just another product for amatuers, like muse or wicks or anyone of the other myriad of point and click junk you can name.

pziecina

Brainiac

O/K Os, you have lost me, what are you talking about?

BenPleysier

Community Expert

I think this is what is referred to: https://www.dmxzone.com/go/33047/closed-beta-version-of-wappler-is-released

Wappler is the DMXzone-made Dreamweaver replacement and includes the best of their powerful extensions, as well as much more!

B i r n o u

Community Expert

Paula,

I think neither Adobe, nor the frequent contributors on this forum have even a remote idea of who actually uses Dreamweaver, and why. You can argue the point all you want, but as far as I know, neither you nor anyone else posting on this thread has a large customer base of Dreamweaver users from which to cull evidence-based assumptions.

Talented coders, as a rule, have never embraced Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver's majority of users have always been small designers, hobbyists, contributors to a much larger development team, and individuals who craft their own web site. It has never changed. A talented coder capable of writing complex CSS and of writing efficient and powerful script would rarely, if ever, use Dreamweaver. I still have a copy of Homesite installed, and it is still better for coding than Dreamweaver. I don't use it, but it's incredible to look at all the hard work that went into making Macromedia such a great company and how it's been systematically destroyed by Adobe.

I am not a forum poster by trade. I don't measure what a Dreamweaver user is by looking at what goes on in this forum. That would be like trying to analyze climate change by reading a single newspaper. Obviously, this forum is a closed system... or something else I have no idea how to even define, but I do know this, if Adobe ever decided to embrace extension developers and listen to them, Dreamweaver would be a better product for it. The sad thing is, we cannot write extensions that fix stupidity.

hello Al,

I can't say that I know the DW usertype, and worth, I just see the profile here, only in France... so it is not very representative, but...

after all these years spent accompanying companies in their migration, taking charge of their websites and their reflections on the development of their 'applications', or initiating most academics (level baccalaureat, level 3 and license) ... those who use the most DW are as you have noticed the non-coders (but not only... see below) ... much people are moving to other tools available out there...

when we talk about buying extensions to brings solutions... often, the reaction is almost immediately to think about platforms like WP ... and thus DW does not serve any more,

what sometimes happens, is that the extensions do not systematically meet the needs sought ... (ie non-reducing, searching in a database and sending cross-references, personify the user account, having specific master/details combination... and so on) ... so again this does not fundamentally meet the initial needs.

all this to say that developing a basic site with basic needs by using DW can get very expensive in extensions to add to the initial price of DW, or to ask for skills in the languages and technologies used, and there I join the points raised by Paula on the integration and taking into account at the base of a robust HTML, the fringe of CSS and APIs (not forgetting the possibility of boosting the rendering engine itself and not having to wait for the bets official update).

perhaps my frenglish drives confusions in my words, so please don't hesitate to arise it, I will try to precise my thoughts

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