Is there any way to display the Design View in fluid grid pages?

So now it's the middle of 2016, 2 years after this was requested. Adobe!!! Please being back the design view and make it friendly or we will have to start telling folks to use another platform. What seems to be the problem???

Has anyone tried the new DW update yet?  Is this update better then the last attempt?

I've been using Dreamweaver ever since Macromedia offered it. While some of the improvements like the CSS Designer are amazing, I have to agree that DW is less useful without Design View in Fluid Grids Layouts. I have no intention of rolling back versions or editing my registry to try to fix bugs. Fluid Grid Layouts had real promise, especially for beginners just learning responsive design. I teach a college course in web development using Adobe software, but it is becoming impossible to find up-to-date tutorials or textbooks for my courses.

Adobe really needs to stop changing the tried and true DW interface elements - not to mention all the bugs that don't get worked out before the changes are pushed.  These continual, progressive updates that remove or move tools around make it impossible for beginners to follow tutorials on the web or in textbooks. Academic publishers are going to give up on Adobe as the books are obsolete as soon as (or before) they are published due to these continual changes.

As I understand it there is no work-around for Fluid Grid Layouts.

Gutted that this feature is are no longer an option with dreamweaver CC 2014.1. Luckily we only downloaded a 'trial' to begin with! Certainly won't be purchasing it until fluid grid layouts are available again. I'm guessing we cannot roll back to CC 2014?

I find it very surprising that Fluid Grid Layouts are advertised on the current Adobe website, right above a 'buy now' button for dreamweaver CC 2014.1?!

To get to this page: I opened dreamweaver 2014.1, clicked Help, Learn Dreamweaver, then in the browser 'Key techniques' (at this point, amusingly, the navigation fails to maintain order when reducing the size of the browser window...like the fluid grid layout is broken), then click Explore fluid grid layouts.

I'm not sure this has been thought through properly. Heres hoping we get Fluid Grid layouts back!

I just want to add my voice to the chorus that finds live view extremely clunky and slow. I often work at home on work Web pages and live-view's reliance upon updating files on the server slows me way down. It keeps putting/getting files and holding me up while it does so.

It absolutely does not fit into my workflow either. I depend on design view for all sorts of things--including very quick edits to Web pages. Live view impedes that process. I spent about 20 minutes trying to figure out how to do a simple edit on a Web page in live view and failed. Finally had to go into code view to edit it. If I'm going to be spending significant time in code view, I might as well be using a text editor.

In sum, the loss of design view makes Dreamweaver unusable for me. I'm going to roll back to a previous version of DW, which illustrates to me, also, how frustrating Adobe's new(ish) subscription model is. Here I am paying to get the latest, "greatest" version of DW and yet I'm unable to use it because of its missing features.

I've been a Dreamweaver user (and defender against those who dismiss it for generating bloated code) for many years, but without design view I'll be forced to find an alternative.

Sincerely,

Jeremy

I don't feel I can add any better feedback then what's already been written but I do want to add my frustration of HAVING to work in Live View on my fluid grid layouts. I've been working in Dreamweaver since well into the Macromedia days and always found Dreamwewaver the best application to speed up and streamline my web work. I find the Live View to be cumbersome, frustrating, and difficult to work in. I'm searching for ways to downgrade the application now until this issue is resolved...Adobe needs to go back to basics with this program.

Just to add my comment to Adobe....  I've used Dreamweaver for about 15 years now and this latest change to Design View has left me so frustrated! It's taken me a while to find this thread, I thought I was going mad that some pages had a design view button and other files i needed to edit insisted that they upload themselves to my server!!! What if I don't want to upload them to a server??? My biggest issue with this live view mode is when i'm working on a site that requires the user to login. All I see is the login screen??? I LIKE and USE the design view. Please, adobe, just include the option to turn live view OFF!

Although design view is a mess on occasions, it's still visual and allows limited skill coders to select content easily for editing in either design view or jumping over to code view because the code associated to what was selected in design view has been highlighted. I can have a page made up of more than 1,000 lines of code, scrolling from top to bottom and back up again is time consuming, but clicking the item in design view takes me straight to the code.

One major problem with Live view that I have discovered for myself in the last few days is where I have created some garage door css effects as buttons. On mouse over, the hidden content animates into view - pretty common effects. I am having to edit the content of the div that is hidden, however, I can't select it because it's acting just like it does in a browser. With design view, although it might not be rendered 100% correct, I was able to click multiple times until the div that is hiding it expands to reveal the one I want to edit. I can hunt for this small section of code in code view, but it takes so long to sift through hundreds of lines of code so why should I when I have a direct path to it simply by clicking in design view.

As somebody who does train people, I personally would never tell all to not use a particular tool as it depends upon capabilties of those being trained. Design view is key to helping those learning to use DW find their way around code. People learn to use DW because they have either struggled to learn code, don't want to, or simply don't have the time, otherwise they'd use a text editor. A good example of a new idea (old now) that doesn't meet standards for me is photoshop's quick selection tool. It's OK for those who don't know how to use a channel or a vector path, but if I tried to convince a professional retoucher to use it, I'd be laughed out of the building. So, I have to pick the tool relevant for the target audience that I am talking to. Photoshop doesn't need channels or paths - Photoshop Elements is evidence of that - but photoshop still gives the choice that suits a workflow, it should do, and so should dreamweaver, it's the professional tool!

I have demo'd Adobe software to all sorts of audiences, I've stood on stands at trade shows and most people are happy after I have shown them an answer to their problem. Due to software issues, lack of acknowledgement of issues, or discontinued products and functions, I have on a few occassions had some angry Adobe customers to deal with, I have also had one man try to punch me. My point here about design view is, this is a tool where customers are passionate because something favoured for workflow has been removed but no viable alternative has been given. Perhaps we should have design view back until that usable alternative has been created. Currently, I have no answer to what I am challenged on for those angry customers.

Basically, we need to be able to switch off the live view to enable easier selection! I personally don't care if it's design view or not, but something needs to be provided to placate all who are disgruntled, and there are many more than the few here!

Oh great.

I can't see table cell outlines anymore, much less the Expanded Table feature that helps sometimes.

...Scratching head...

Is there a training video I missed somewhere showing proper workflow for the new Dreamweaver with responsive sites? Are we supposed to use Muse now? Reflow? I'm confused and have to use the CC June release (until it breaks)...

Guys, Nancy has been advocating the need for an improved design view for many years - I can attest to that. She is being constructive. I myself would welcome a great live view that automatically updates any change in your html, css/sass/less, and js without the need for saving and refreshing.

My own experience as an instructor for web development also made me realize a long time ago that Dreamweaver's design view is completely unhelpful in a web course environment: it just does not render css the way it is supposed to be rendered as seen in any of the mainstream browsers. It uses its own proprietary render engine, while it should have switched to webkit a long, long time ago.

If DW was (is) used in the classroom, the first thing I and the other instructors would (will) tell the students was (is):

"Avoid the design view for anything else but quick content edits."

We would forbid the students to use it in any other way. Time and again some student would ignore our advice, and wind up with issues at some point. It is one of the reasons why DW was left behind as a code editor of choice in our class rooms (beside other reasons) a couple of years ago.

Again, looking at Pinegrow and Macaw, there is no reason why the Live view cannot become a super-duper alternative.

However, I am concerned with the fact that Adobe marketing and the DW engineers thought it was a good idea to release a not even half-baked beta implementation to their users, while removing legacy functional support. They are not making new friends with that approach, and potentially scaring away loyal users.

The CC subscription model seems to have made all its customers into a giant group of beta testers, without quick access to fixes - which I feel is a bit insane. Just my opinion.