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No more Muse, what about DW?

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March 27, 2018
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I really don't know what do to after using Muse.

I started using the Dreamweaver with StudioMx but few months ago started using Muse.

Muse......March 26, 2018 we will release the final feature improvement release ...

Adobe doesn't even recommend Dreamweaver.

Should I come back to Dw?

Really need you advice.

thank you for reading,

James

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Correct answer Preran

Coming back to the original question about Dreamweaver. It's a copy-paste from another discussion, but I do hope you understand why.

Like I promised, I checked with the senior management about the future of Dreamweaver, and their answer was that they see no reason to stop developing the product. Dreamweaver will continue to exist, period.

I understand that no amount of reassurance will suffice, but I do want to put other Dreamweaver users visiting this post at ease.

I am marking my answer as correct only because I want this question to be addressed upfront for visitors that will not care to read the rest of the discussion. If any of you feel strongly against that, let me know, and I will take care of unmarking it.

Thanks,

Preran

pziecina

Brainiac

Much of the flow of this discussion has now been lost, (at least for me) as everyone, (yes, I DO meen everyone) is discussing topics that have no, or very little relationships to each other.

Maybe it is time everyone takes a break, and lets everything drop as it is going nowhere.

B i r n o u

Community Expert

arf .. arf ... admit that you have largely contributed to the discussion derailing ... easy now to point this ... arf arf ...

pziecina

Brainiac

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u wrote
arf .. arf ... admit that you have largely contributed to the discussion derailing ... easy now to point this ... arf arf ...

That applies to all except Nancy and Jon from the regular forum contributors, including yourself.

pziecina

Brainiac

The following is a quote from a post in the Muse forum, (the posters name is irrelevant) -

"

In Muse it was so simple - I want this element to be here, and these buttons there, spaced just so. Text here, a video there, and a big photo as the background. Boom.

In Wordpress, even with a page builder plugin... the process of trying to get this look is a nightmare of columns and sections and padding and margins and alignments and widget spacings and on and on...

".

I'm probably missing something in what the poster is trying to do, but even in Muse or inDesign it is necessary to apply paddings and margins, and once a basic layout is created even using starter pages, any program that has a visual tool for the css, (don't like it but css designer is an example) would be able to do what is described, without diving into code.

If this is the case, is it not more a case of the Muse UI (and all its widgets) working similar to the inDesign UI, that is making the alternatives, (even with a visual css tool) look unattractive as an alternative to Muse, and not the program itself?

Or is it that some 'coders' are now also trying to think in 'grids' with the rise of frameworks and the attempt to make grids in web design an important feature for rwd.

Edit - I'm leaving conclusions on that last sentence open. I have my own thought but if anyone wishes to post their own?

ALsp

Brainiac

Good coders are often not good designers. Compare it to automobile design. A vehicle can be engineered to perfection, but if the visual design of the exterior and interior is not up to the same standards, then the car WILL NOT SELL. I think this is why our products still sell well after 20 years and numerous put-downs by coders who are not also designers.

Just my opinion... although we do have some anecdotal to back it up... at least where we are happy

pziecina

Brainiac

And that has to do with my post, how?

B i r n o u

Community Expert

I see passing the discussion on the subject .. and there comes a time when I can not let loose without meaning, and not react.

Everyone is free to create content as he or she consents ... being a Muse user, an encoder, a pure developer, relying on a CMS, choosing Bootstrap ... whatever, the What is essential is that everyone, customers and suppliers become content and satisfied.

of course that the code has its importance, of course that the design has its importance, as much as the content strategy, as the information architecture, accessibility, optimization for SEO, that the animation , that the user experience ... etc ... etc ...

to debate what would be absolute, or utopian, better than better is one thing, but to treat people with weasel, brainless, or lazy learning is another thing .

..
no one is here to judge anyone ... we are all here because we are all driven by the same passion, or function, which is to create content for the web ... the best we can ... and with all our own limits ... whatever it is ...

ALsp

Brainiac

Well said, Birnou. I would have said something myself, but I'm so tired of getting hammered and insulted. You are a better man than me today.

J

juchis2009

New Participant

just got off the phone with a designer friend I know, he was brought in into a company as a designer but also mainly as a designer to develop and update

the companies website, he has no idea about coding

nor has intension of doing so. What about these people adobe, he is in fear of loosing his job since he will no longer be able to update the site nor make

new ones for this company with the freedom for creativity he had with muse, sure the company will

understand that he might need to learn a new program with out code that could produce the same site with the widgets. He has a wife, a mortgage and 2 kids in high school , what about them adobe?

you heartless corporate monger.

rayek.elfin

Brainiac

juchis2009 wrote
just got off the phone with a designer friend I know, he was brought in into a company as a designer but also mainly as a designer to develop and update
the companies website, he has no idea about coding
nor has intension of doing so. What about these people adobe, he is in fear of loosing his job since he will no longer be able to update the site nor make
new ones for this company with the freedom for creativity he had with muse, sure the company will
understand that he might need to learn a new program with out code that could produce the same site with the widgets. He has a wife, a mortgage and 2 kids in high school , what about them adobe?
you heartless corporate monger.

Your friend still has a year of Muse use, and he can teach himself basic html and css plus pinegrow or another editor within that year.

There is no need to fear Armageddon: HE is in control of his own learning. Muse isn't going away in the upcoming year, and he can still use it. The only thing he needs to do is teach himself html and css, and perhaps a bit of basic jQuery.

Don't allow a company like Adobe to take away your own personal power and control in your life. This is something he can solve by himself by merely spending a couple of hours a week either teaching himself, follow a free html/css course online, and have fun.

Don't be afraid of new knowledge that would empower you. Embrace it.

rayek.elfin

Brainiac

Wow, that's one real sh**storm hitting the Muse forums. But you, know: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Adobe pulled the same jerky move with Edge Animate, Fireworks, and a long list of other software - most related to the web. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on Dreamweaver in a year or two as well. Probably sooner.

B i r n o u

Community Expert

it may be time to take into account the facts that are:

a lot of users have gone to alternative solutions
many users who work intensively regress to the 2015 version see CS6 (but don't use the last two 2017/2018)
many users are complaining about new features that do not correspond to the real expectations
there are too many third party software inclusions, which actually limit more than they open up
and many users, if not most, use DW because their company, (education, and institution included) have a CC account

isabelleg61961653

New Participant

Anybody here remember Golive? Golive was an incredible software to make website at the time it was released. Is competitor, Dreamweaver from Macromedia was powerfull but not friendly user as Golive then. And, for no reason, Adobe decided to drop Golive and acquire Macromedia and, dreamweaver.

They developped a great software with Muse. It was on the early ages. But they do the same thing again. Abandoning a great software and the community that have been around it for all the time.

Avery-BoshaDesign

New Participant

I'm not sure why people keep glossing over this, but while the active development for Muse will not continue, you can still use Muse. You don't have to stop using the application just because there won't be updates to the software. The Muse application will not uninstall automatically from your computer just because they won't be releasing a new version.

My advice would be to continue to use the software, and give yourself a timeline to research alternative options if/when the software no longer serves your needs.

Nancy OShea

Community Expert

This is not the first time Adobe have retired products and it certainly won't be the last. Think back to PageMill, GoLive, Fireworks, Director, Encore, Contribute, LiveCycle, Edge, Course Builder, e-Learning suite.... all gone now. As industries & technologies change, so too must the software we use. In 2020, Flash, Muse and Business Catalyst will reach EOL.

Dreamweaver remains an excellent tool for site management and code editing. If you can write your own code, you will never be a slave to your software. But non-coders will always have trouble when the software they rely on stops being developed.

Nancy O'Shea— Product User, Community Expert & Moderator

B i r n o u

Community Expert

you forgot to mention some master pieces of tools... Homesite (very too bad)... Freehand (it was amazing)... some other servers solution ... Breeze... and Flex (including Flash remoting, and Flash Communication Server)

T

tiff_meek

Known Participant

tiff_meek wrote
downloading Sketch now to take a look

Honest question with no ill intent, but how have you been in the industry for your stated 30 years, profusely advocating the design side and never heard of Sketch ?

W_J_T wrote
tiff_meek wrote
downloading Sketch now to take a look
Honest question with no ill intent, but how have you been in the industry for your stated 30 years, profusely advocating the design side and never heard of Sketch ?

No idea. Have never heard of it. Have never worked with anyone who uses it. The purpose of your question is beyond me, but there's the answer.

Preran

Community Manager

I haven't heard of any such plan for Dreamweaver. I will check with the product management team to see if they have anything else to add.

Thanks,

Preran

Correct answer

Community Manager

Coming back to the original question about Dreamweaver. It's a copy-paste from another discussion, but I do hope you understand why.

Like I promised, I checked with the senior management about the future of Dreamweaver, and their answer was that they see no reason to stop developing the product. Dreamweaver will continue to exist, period.

I understand that no amount of reassurance will suffice, but I do want to put other Dreamweaver users visiting this post at ease.

I am marking my answer as correct only because I want this question to be addressed upfront for visitors that will not care to read the rest of the discussion. If any of you feel strongly against that, let me know, and I will take care of unmarking it.

Thanks,

Preran

Eyemo

Participating Frequently

I'm not sure "Dreamweaver will continue to exist" is all that reassuring, given what, how and when Adobe has handled its execution of Muse. Technically, you could say Muse will continue to exist so long as you never need to reformat or clean install a new OS or re/de-authorize your CC account. But thanks for checking with senior management. That is something.

pziecina

Brainiac

Question already asked, see

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2470602

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