Substitute for Dreamweaver

[Solar_Gary]

Hi,

This may seem like a strange question, but I'd like to know if there is a reasonable substitute for Dreamweaver out there.

I started my site around 2005 on Microsoft Frontpage, and to be honest for my modest needs, FrontPage was a really good fit.  But, then it was phased out for what ever they called the follow on version of Frontpage, and I converted over to that.  Then it was dropped.

At that point I'd had about enough converting the whole website over to something to new, so I bought a copy of DreamWeaver, which seemed to be the most stable product going.  Took a while to do the conversion, but got through it.  Meanwhile the site kept growing -- now over 1000 html pages (www.builditsolar.com).

Then Adobe switched over to the subscription model.

In the meantime my site is less active, and the only use I am really getting out of DreamWeaver now is some occasional updates and a new page once in a while.  The $240 a year seems excessive for my current usage and I'd like to find something that I cold maintain the DreamWeaver created site with that would not have a steep learning curve.  But, It feels like I'm pretty embedded in DreamWeaver with the templates etc. -- I can't do individual conversions to over a thousand pages.

I'm an engineer who would just like an easy to use tool to get some ideas out there for people who want to build solar projects -- have less than zero interest in writing html or other code.  The more it looks like a wordprocessor the happier I am.  But, it needs to be something that will accept the current DreamWeaver created site without tons of conversion work.

Any ideas on software I might try?

I understand DreamWeaver is a terrific product for those who need and use its many features.

Thanks -- Gary

[W_J_T]

For anyone coming across this thread and seeing 'Pinegrow' as the correct suggested answer and wishing to continue the discussion that took place in this thread for Wappler as another possible 'Dreamweaver alternative'.

That discussion concerning Wappler has continued here:

OT: A little bit more about Wappler - confusion

[Brad Lawryk]

jamies34641468  wrote

Wappler guys released some video about creating sites and binding dynamic data: http://wappler.io/Wappler_intro.mp4 looks nice so far.

That indeed was not to be released publically yet. But, yes, Wappler is nice. Even in the very early stages that it is in.

[W_J_T]

Video looks intriguing at the very least, bootleg copy or not.

https://blog.wappler.io/beta-19-enter-the-bootstrap-4-world/

January 25, 2018

If you’re not part of our Beta testing program – wait for it, later today you will be surprised – we will post it in public! It’s awesome: that’s the first full video preview of Wappler ever!

^ It seems like from their Blog they were gonna release it yesterday the 25th, but still remain behind with things.

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In Other News:

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Pinegrow integrated Boostrap 4 and released an update a week after BootStrap 4 Stable was released.

http://docs.pinegrow.com/release_notes/release-4-3-jan-25-2018/

Bootstrap 4 was released on Jan 18, after years of being in a Beta state. Pinegrow 4.3 comes with the complete support for Bootstrap 4, including new and updated starter templates.

The week before they released support for the latest Foundation.

Release 4.2 – Jan 18, 2018 | Pinegrow 4 – Documentation and Tutorials

Pinegrow now supports Foundation 6.4. Not only that, all new visual tools like column resizers, page libraries, and grid/column overlays are available for Foundation 6.4 projects as well.

Shortly before they included CSS Grid Visual tools in addition to the already existing FlexBox tools. Pinegrow nicely supports both FlexBox and CSS Grid, through its visual tools, direct code and live in app preview.

https://medium.com/@mattront/how-to-learn-css-grid-with-pinegrow-e865ece2e137

Release 4.1 – Dec 11, 2017 | Pinegrow 4 – Documentation and Tutorials

No doubt many more new features will follow in the coming weeks, months and year ahead for Pinegrow.

[williamj31276244]

Pinegrow is a no go for me as it doesn't offer dynamic data options, while Wappler will allow me to connect to databases or feeds just as shown in the video.

I've not asked anyone for permissions to share this video but as it is publicly available I don't think there is a problem with that...

[osgood_]

It looks ok if you want to limit yourself to Bootstrap which will be dead  once grid css gains more momentum.

Like all these visual editors l think its no secret that they are not aimed at the professional but the amatuer, so for those with limited abilities, it will probaby be a suitable option to get some kind of job done for clients with lower expectations or limited budgets.

Its unique appeal will obviously be database connectivity which once made the now 'defunct' DW a unique and apealing editor for the amatuer player, so l have zero doubt when, if it ever gets to market, it will take a large chunk of users away from Adobe DW, which may signal the begining of the end for that bit of softwsre or a new direction.

Dont be surprised if Adobe buys it before its even released, money talks and Adobe certainly has deep pockets when they come calling, it might be just the perfect replacement for DW. Thats assuming those responisble for web development software within Adobe are not still sleeping at the wheel which they seem to have been doing for some years now.

Ive been right about this pending product on  more than an ocassions, said it wouldnt get to market before the xmas break regardless of it was supposed to be being released, according to its developers, about 3 months ago........what on earth could have gone wrong. Reading the blog it sounds more like a pet project which is continuously being rebuilt from scratch.

[BenPleysier]

osgood_  wrote

It looks ok if you want to limit yourself to Bootstrap which will be dead  once grid css gains more momentum.

I just wish posters would post the truth. The above is wrong on two counts,

• Wappler does not rely on any framework, but will include multiple frameworks to choose from if required.
• Bootstrap is much, much more than a layout framework. I still use Bootstrap despite developing with Grid layouts.

osgood_  wrote

Ive been right about this pending product on  more than an ocassions, said it wouldnt get to market before the xmas break regardless of it was supposed to be being released, according to its developers, about 3 months ago........what on earth could have gone wrong.

Again, this is utter nonsense.

• I doubt that the Wappler Team have ever set a date for it to go to market, let alone, according to you, 3 months ago. They have said that their Beta version would go public. But the Beta Testers have held the release of the Beta version back saying that there were too many non/sub working parts. I can divulge that this is no longer an argument and it would not surprise me that a pending release is imminent.

[osgood_]

BenPleysier  wrote

osgood_   wrote

It looks ok if you want to limit yourself to Bootstrap which will be dead  once grid css gains more momentum.

I just wish posters would post the truth. The above is wrong on two counts,

• Bootstrap is much, much more than a layout framework. I still use Bootstrap despite developing with Grid layouts.

Being inquisitve, as I am, I took a look at what employers were asking for entry level developers these days in a wide range of geographical locations in the UK - I found it hard to find even one advert that actually mentioned Bootstrap. Angular, Vue, even build tools such as grunt/gulp but no Bootstrap, which I thought would be a pre-requisite point to make in an advert, according to those who think its very popular amongst professionals.

You still use display: table despite a more advance method - Flexbox being available - so you somewhat live in the past, its not surprising that you will find it hard to prise yourself away from Boot-trap.

BenPleysier  wrote

Again, this is utter nonsense.

• I doubt that the Wappler Team have ever set a date for it to go to market, let alone, according to you, 3 months ago. They have said that their Beta version would go public. But the Beta Testers have held the release of the Beta version back saying that there were too many non/sub working parts. I can divulge that this is no longer an argument and it would not surprise me that a pending release is imminent.

Releasing a Public Beta to me is bringing it to the market place.....that should have been early Nov 2017....almost 3 months has elapsed. I think I am 100% correct! Thankyou for your input though.

[pziecina]

osgood_  wrote

Dont be surprised if Adobe buys it before its even released, money talks and Adobe certainly has deep pockets when they come calling, it might be just the perfect replacement for DW. Thats assuming those responisble for web development software within Adobe are not still sleeping at the wheel which they seem to have been doing for some years now..

I noticed that this comment was not replied to!!!

Looking at the video, I get the feeling I have seen the features in wappler before, maybe dmxzone have finally done what all those other programs that never actually made it to production failed to do, and brought all the best bits together in one program.

I did notice a few ideas from Dw users, (cannot remember where, when or by whom, (she lies)) that lots of people said a big NO to having included at the time ().