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[locked] Flash player crashes all browsers

  • October 24, 2009
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In the past few days Flash Player has crashed all the major browsers, Internet Explorer 8, Firefox 3, Opera 10, Safari, and Chrome.  Windows XP 64-bit.  If you want to witness the problem, go to http://www.canaan.jp/ and wait a few moments.  I have sent in as many crash reports as the browsers were able to generate.  I have also read so many entries in other forums that this problem is epidemic.  You are probably already nearly panicking over it, and well you should.  Your monopoly on streaming data is threatening to come crashing down around your ears.  You'd better fix it quick or become accustomed to the sound of peasants banging their pitchforks against the gates and howling for your heads.

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    47 replies

    November 10, 2009

    You guys think you have problems. I've been dealing with this issue for several months now, but it doesn't just crash my browser. Whenever my cpu usage peaks out it causes my computer to completely power off. And here's the part that will really bake your noodle: It happens on Ubuntu 32-bit, Ubuntu 64-bit, and Vista 32-bit on ie7, ie8, FF3.0.*, FF3.5.*, Opera, Safari, Chrome, Konqueror, and several more I've tried. It happens anytime I play an flv or mp4 file through an swf based online player whether it's JW player, YouTube, or any other swf video player. It does not happen on wmv, silverlight, or anything else that does not require flash. I began assuming it was a hardware issue; so I replaced RAM, HDD, upgraded bios on my motherboard, tried every known driver for my video card...all to no avail. I couldn't change the video card because it's a laptop.

    As a workaround I have begun using Video DownloadHelper plugin for FF to download videos from sites and then watching them from my harddrive using VLC. This is a bit inconvenient, but at least it doesn't crash my computer. It also makes it farely obvious that it's an Adobe Flash Player issue since that's the only common factor in all the crashes. Clearly it's not a firewall, OS, browser, or registry key problem. It seems unlikely to be a hardware issue considering NOTHING else causes my computer to crash except for Adobe Flash Player.

    I really am at my wits end and hope Adobe gets this fixed some day.

    gridsleepAuthor
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    November 9, 2009

    Just for the fun of it, I installed Windows 7.  Nothing else.  Fresh install.  It installed 9 upgrades during the install which were, I assume, necessary as they were brought in during the install, but beyond the bare Windows 7, nothing else was put in.  I went to www.canaan.jp.  Internet Explorer 8 crashed.  Due to the digital hardware protection whatsis, it recovered.  I went to 3dgameman.com and watched the latest video review (an Antec case) and IE8 crashed.  At first the video froze (along with the browser) while the sound kept going, then it finally crashed.  After that it just plain crashed.  I went to YouTube and watched some videos.  After every five or six videos, the browser crashed.  Higher definition videos crash sooner.  Louder sound in videos seems to make it crash sooner.  Although, in my previous test in XP, it crashed with no sound driver running.  I think we can pretty much strike out the problem arising from another application or the Windows.  I'm going back to XP64 because Windows 7 won't run my old Wacom tablet and I can't see the sense of paying $175 (newegg oem) for an OS that requires me to spend another $450 for a new graphic tablet.  I have all the equipment I need that works in XP as well as I need it to.  Plenty of doctors' offices are still using DOS or OS/2 for their records software.  NASA uses UNIX.  No particular OS is a necessity (except in my case, with my peculiar hardware array.)

    November 9, 2009

    If you do a Google Advanced Search using "Adobe Flash Player" and "problem", you'll get 81,600,000 hits. 

    You've got better odds of getting struck by lightning than getting a working version of Adobe Flash Player, or so it seems. 

    gridsleepAuthor
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    November 8, 2009

    Windows Vista and 7 are not upgrades of XP.  They are further domination by the corporation.  Vista was designed from the ground up to enforce DRM and Microsoft's control over your computer usage.  7 was designed to correct the more flagrant errors in Vista.  XP is where I am at and XP is where I will stay.  That is, until I can get Ubuntu GNU/Linux working with all my hardware.  Then, I will drop Microsoft like a hot potato and never go back.

    As for the Flash crash problem, I just rebuilt my entire system, using a different installation of XP 64.  All I installed myself is AVG 9 and ATI Catalyst 9.10.  I went to www.canaan.jp.  Firefox crashed.  On a fresh installation of Windows.  I don't think I need to comment any further.

    New Participant
    November 8, 2009

    Pokin' around and found this.....https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207681  Which describes my problems exactly....HIGH FlashPlayer CPU USAGE, 2FPS, Audio SKIPPING!! Then I also must reboot. I use Win XP PRO SP3 32-bit, using IE8 & Mozilla or Chrome and EVERY time I play an EMBEDDED or STANDALONE FLASH video - REBOOT! I have suffered from this problem for 7 MONTHS! Rebooting upto 23 times a day!!!! Really - WTH!

    Inspiring
    November 8, 2009

    Look like the tech people at firefox are finally talking about this issue.  That no one is assigned to this issue, open for working on.  My Firefox 3.5.4 faints whenever it see's flash10, don't know if it's love or a big scaredy-cat.

    They talk about cookies cause a problem cause issues, and contacting their buddies at adobe to work with this matter.  Part is written with computer language which I don't know, but halfway down the talk, they banter about options.

    I don't know if u others are using firefox, but it crashes all the time now for me.  Wonder if it could be about where they say leaving a cookie alone for half a minute causes sometime of blank screen, which does happen to me if I have more tabs open and don't get back to another tab for a few minutes, or just have a tab open while multitasking on different websites...?   Does anyone know if this could be related to us?  Here is what they posted, I left out the comupter text, since it was about half the posting, but pasted the conversations they had and link to there:  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495035

    Last Comment Bug 495035 -       FF35b5pre (20090526) displays blank cookie dialog
    Status:NEW
    :
    :regression, relnote
    :Core
    Plug-ins
    :Trunk
    :x86        Windows Vista
    :-- critical           with              2                  votes (vote)
    :---
    Assigned To:
    :
    : http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2009/05...
    :
    : 109041 466057
    Show dependency tree / graph
    Reported:2009-05-27 03:10 PST by
    Modified:2009-09-14 16:50 PST        (History)
    beltzner:               blocking1.9.1-              
    blocking‑fennec---
    blocking1.9.3---
    status1.9.2---
    blocking1.9.1---
    status1.9.1wanted


    Attachments
    Printscreen of the blank dialog (170.69 KB,                 image/jpeg)             
    2009-05-27 03:12 PST,              IlkkaP
    no flagsDetails


    Description From         2009-05-27 03:10:03 PST
    User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1pre)
    Gecko/20090526 Shiretoko/3.5pre (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
    Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1pre)
    Gecko/20090526 Shiretoko/3.5pre (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)

    Cannot reproduce with any other site so far, just this
    http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2009/05/raskas_organisaatio_maksoi_miljoonia_akelle_758848.html
    page makes FF to display blank cookie dialog.

    Reproducible: Always

    Steps to Reproduce:
    1. Go to
    http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2009/05/raskas_organisaatio_maksoi_miljoonia_akelle_758848.html
    2. Wait for the cookie dialog to pop up

    Actual Results: 
    Blank accept cookies dialog

    Expected Results: 
    The normal FF cookie dialog
    ------- Comment         #1 From         2009-05-27 03:12:37 PST -------
    Created an attachment (id=379855) [details]
    Printscreen of the blank dialog
    ------- Comment         #2 From         2009-05-27 06:11:07 PST -------
    Confirmed on Windows XP, latest trunk, and I see it also in the latest Firefox
    3.0 version.
    This is not a very old bug, stems from ~Dec 2008. Problem is that it is not
    100% reproducible.
    ------- Comment         #3 From         2009-05-27 06:27:59 PST -------
    Another curious behavior: 

    1. Ctrl+click the link, so that it opens on a new tab in background.
    2. Wait that the page has loaded completely.
    3. Click on the tab.
    4. You see the Cookie dialog over this page. Close the dialog and you now see
    the page.
    5. Move the mouse anywhere.. FF will close the tab and open it in a new full
    browser window. With the blank cookie dialog again.

    Happens only with that page, as far as I know, but I'll keep testing.
    ------- Comment         #4 From         2009-05-27 07:27:42 PST -------
    Yes I see indeed more, but this blank cookie bug seems an isolated case with
    its own regression range:
    http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=050ae62b7d9d&tochange=3d10285b201c
    ------- Comment         #5 From         2009-05-27 07:44:50 PST -------
    So far I haven't been able to reproduce this.
    What are the exact steps to reproduce? What preferences should be set?
    ------- Comment         #6 From         2009-05-27 07:57:38 PST -------
    It's "Ask me every time" option for cookies.
    ------- Comment         #7 From         2009-05-27 08:02:20 PST -------
    That is what I used
    ------- Comment         #8 From         2009-05-27 08:17:27 PST -------
    Ok, I can reproduce this on windows.
    ------- Comment         #9 From         2009-05-27 09:11:28 PST -------
    >     cookie.dll!nsCookiePromptService::CookieDialog(nsIDOMWindow * aParent=0x03cb1c58, nsICookie * aCookie=0x0553b0e0, const nsACString_internal & aHostname={...}, int aCookiesFromHost=0, int aChangingCookie=0, int * aRememberDecision=0x0030c0f4, int * aAccept=0x0030c15c)  Line 69     C++
         cookie.dll!nsCookiePermission::CanSetCookie(nsIURI * aURI=0x04726b58,
    nsIChannel * aChannel=0x04126cb0, nsICookie2 * aCookie=0x0553b0e0, int *
    aIsSession=0x0030c364, __int64 * aExpiry=0x0030c35c, int * aResult=0x0030c15c)
    Line 382 + 0x4c bytes    C++
         necko.dll!nsCookieService::SetCookieInternal(nsIURI * aHostURI=0x04726b58,
    nsIChannel * aChannel=0x04126cb0, nsDependentCString & aCookieHeader={...},
    __int64 aServerTime=1243440587, int aFromHttp=0)  Line 1420    C++
         necko.dll!nsCookieService::SetCookieStringInternal(nsIURI *
    aHostURI=0x04726b58, nsIPrompt * aPrompt=0x04874ab0, const char *
    aCookieHeader=0x04198178, const char * aServerTime=0x00000000, nsIChannel *
    aChannel=0x04126cb0, int aFromHttp=0)  Line 764 + 0x20 bytes    C++
         necko.dll!nsCookieService::SetCookieString(nsIURI * aHostURI=0x04726b58,
    nsIPrompt * aPrompt=0x04874ab0, const char * aCookieHeader=0x04198178,
    nsIChannel * aChannel=0x04126cb0)  Line 709    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsHTMLDocument::SetCookie(const nsAString_internal &
    aCookie={...})  Line 1774    C++
         xpc3250.dll!nsIDOMHTMLDocument_SetCookie(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0,
    JSObject * obj=0x029039c0, int id=18298492, int * vp=0x0030cc7c)  Line 9068 +
    0x1a bytes    C++
         js3250.dll!js_SetSprop(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0, JSScopeProperty *
    sprop=0x03d4c500, JSObject * obj=0x029039c0, int * vp=0x0030cc7c)  Line 386 +
    0x3d bytes    C++
         js3250.dll!js_SetPropertyHelper(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0, JSObject *
    obj=0x029039c0, int id=18298492, int cacheResult=1, int * vp=0x0030cc7c)  Line
    4592 + 0x15 bytes    C++
         js3250.dll!js_Interpret(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0)  Line 4781 + 0x1a bytes
       C++
         js3250.dll!js_Execute(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0, JSObject *
    chain=0x01190300, JSScript * script=0x07384000, JSStackFrame * down=0x00000000,
    unsigned int flags=0, int * result=0x0030cdf8)  Line 1633 + 0x9 bytes    C++
         js3250.dll!JS_EvaluateUCScriptForPrincipals(JSContext * cx=0x03cb1ec0,
    JSObject * obj=0x01190300, JSPrincipals * principals=0x047c5d5c, const unsigned
    short * chars=0x07383ec0, unsigned int length=87, const char *
    filename=0x053e7d20, unsigned int lineno=0, int * rval=0x0030cdf8)  Line 5151 +
    0x19 bytes    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsJSContext::EvaluateStringWithValue(const nsAString_internal
    & aScript={...}, void * aScopeObject=0x01190300, nsIPrincipal *
    aPrincipal=0x047c5d58, const char * aURL=0x053e7d20, unsigned int aLineNo=0,
    unsigned int aVersion=0, void * aRetValue=0x0030cf9c, int *
    aIsUndefined=0x00000000)  Line 1440 + 0x42 bytes    C++
         gkplugin.dll!_evaluate(_NPP * npp=0x075c0084, NPObject * npobj=0x048ff678,
    _NPString * script=0x0030cfd0, _NPVariant * result=0x0030cfc0)  Line 1569 +
    0x4a bytes    C++
         NPSWF32.dll!66e34ad6()    
         [Frames below may be incorrect and/or missing, no symbols loaded for
    NPSWF32.dll]   
         NPSWF32.dll!66d3585f()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e6223d()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66ef97a9()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66f0a8dc()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66ee1716()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66ec68d2()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e7af94()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e7afc5()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e79df7()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e7a62a()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e7a93a()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e7a9cb()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66dd377a()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e36dbe()    
         NPSWF32.dll!66e32f14()    
         gkplugin.dll!nsNPAPIPluginInstance::SetWindow(nsPluginWindow *
    window=0x075bf7a4)  Line 1084 + 0x4e bytes    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsObjectFrame::PaintPlugin(nsIRenderingContext &
    aRenderingContext={...}, const nsRect & aDirtyRect={...}, const nsPoint &
    aFramePt={...})  Line 1498    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsObjectFrame::PaintPlugin(nsIFrame * aFrame=0x075c2350,
    nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect & aDirtyRect={...}, nsPoint
    aPt={...})  Line 1092    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsDisplayGeneric::Paint(nsDisplayListBuilder *
    aBuilder=0x0030d914, nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect &
    aDirtyRect={...})  Line 874 + 0x2c bytes    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsDisplayList::Paint(nsDisplayListBuilder *
    aBuilder=0x0030d914, nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect &
    aDirtyRect={...})  Line 318    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsDisplayWrapList::Paint(nsDisplayListBuilder *
    aBuilder=0x0030d914, nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect &
    aDirtyRect={...})  Line 821    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsDisplayClip::Paint(nsDisplayListBuilder *
    aBuilder=0x0030d914, nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect &
    aDirtyRect={...})  Line 1008    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsDisplayList::Paint(nsDisplayListBuilder *
    aBuilder=0x0030d914, nsIRenderingContext * aCtx=0x055ec408, const nsRect &
    aDirtyRect={...})  Line 318    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsLayoutUtils::PaintFrame(nsIRenderingContext *
    aRenderingContext=0x055ec408, nsIFrame * aFrame=0x02624724, const nsRegion &
    aDirtyRegion={...}, unsigned int aBackground=4294967295)  Line 1107    C++
         gklayout.dll!PresShell::Paint(nsIView * aView=0x05461c60,
    nsIRenderingContext * aRenderingContext=0x055ec408, const nsRegion &
    aDirtyRegion={...})  Line 5638 + 0x15 bytes    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsViewManager::RenderViews(nsView * aView=0x0553f6b8,
    nsIRenderingContext & aRC={...}, const nsRegion & aRegion={...})  Line 610  
    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsViewManager::Refresh(nsView * aView=0x0553f6b8,
    nsIRenderingContext * aContext=0x055ec408, nsIRegion * aRegion=0x0553c408,
    unsigned int aUpdateFlags=1)  Line 513    C++
         gklayout.dll!nsViewManager::DispatchEvent(nsGUIEvent * aEvent=0x0030e04c,
    nsEventStatus * aStatus=0x0030de4c)  Line 1107    C++
         gklayout.dll!HandleEvent(nsGUIEvent * aEvent=0x0030e04c)  Line 170    C++
         gkwidget.dll!nsWindow::DispatchEvent(nsGUIEvent * event=0x0030e04c,
    nsEventStatus & aStatus=nsEventStatus_eIgnore)  Line 967 + 0xc bytes    C++
         gkwidget.dll!nsWindow::DispatchWindowEvent(nsGUIEvent * event=0x0030e04c,
    nsEventStatus & aStatus=nsEventStatus_eIgnore)  Line 993    C++
         gkwidget.dll!nsWindow::OnPaint(HDC__ * aDC=0x00000000)  Line 6151 + 0x1e
    bytes    C++
    ------- Comment         #10 From         2009-05-27 09:22:53 PST -------
    So on Windows (and only on Windows, after bug 459244 got fixed), we call
    SetWindow() on every paint.  It looks like in this case Flash decides to run
    some script, including setting cookies, during said call...

    If this is allowed, we need to stop calling SetWindow from paint.
    ------- Comment         #11 From         2009-05-27 09:28:38 PST -------
    And the SetWindow call seems to date back to bug 109041, with the condition
    getting somewhat changed in bug 116108.

    Note that on m-c doupdatewindow is only used in the OS/2 branch of the code
    (and should probably move there).

    In any case, the fact that JS runs under painting is a critical bug in either
    our code or in the Flash plug-in.  I don't know which, offhand.

    Oh, and with Flash disabled this bug does go away.
    ------- Comment         #12 From         2009-05-27 12:46:06 PST -------
    So is this a regression? The range indicated by Ria in comment 4 indicts a bug
    that was also landed on 3.0.x, which would imply this regressed there, as well?
    ------- Comment         #13 From         2009-05-27 12:47:51 PST -------
    Well, bug 466057 made this particular case visible, but bug 466057 didn't cause
    this.
    ------- Comment         #14 From         2009-05-27 12:49:24 PST -------
    So is this really a regression then?
    ------- Comment         #15 From         2009-05-27 13:14:51 PST -------
    We should determine if this is us or flash, as per comment 11. Kev, to add to
    your list of items to track down with our friends at Adobe.

    Jim: can you also take a peek and see if there's something obvious we can do to
    get around this?

    Finally, doesn't block as there are some workarounds, but I'll relnote it.
    ------- Comment         #16 From         2009-05-27 13:26:02 PST -------
    I see the white cookies also in Firefox 3.0, but not the terrible hangs like in
    latest trunk.
    If you wait half a minute before responding to the cookie, it locks up and only
    wiping over the (translucent) cookie dialog with the taskmanager can end it.
    The hangs only started in the last month.
    ------- Comment         #17 From         2009-05-29 07:52:01 PST -------
    I'm unable to reproduce in the latest 1.9.1 nightly. Regardless, window->window
    is null when the view changes in paint, so this looks like it's our first
    chance to call set window on the plugin and is needed.
    ------- Comment         #18 From         2009-05-29 09:26:05 PST -------
    I can reproduce the both behaviors with the Gecko/20090529 Shiretoko/3.5pre.
    ------- Comment         #19 From         2009-09-14 16:50:25 PST -------
    We don't use browser cookies so it won't be flash.
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    Mr charanjeet_singh,

    Your solution does NOT work. Why aren't you giving us the explanation that Adobe's technical staff gave you? Or haven't you asked them yet?

    kulesse
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    All, or almost all of described problems is matter of firewall.Ask Google about relation between a/v streaming or sites that load flash elements and firewall.

    Inspiring
    November 9, 2009

    Vista use to punk me in the shower every nignt, relentlessly.  That's why I went back to daddy XP.  But, now Flash10 has an eye for me!   "Whoa is me" 

    I updated to Firefox 3.5.5, this morning, but still crashed when I went to play flash game, yoville, today.

    I think I will chase Flash10 out of town again; then reinstall, reboot, recap, rewind, and then re-do all over again next week!

    (I didn't call anyone a dingbat, don't even know what that is!  Context seems to be both a verb and a noun?)

    Ahki, emerald city, WA-state


    Kulesse,

    Your last subject, about ding bats, was off topic.  Sometimes I forget too.

    A good rule of thumb is to:

    * First search to see if a thread, on topic you wish to discuss, has already been created. 

    * If not,
    you need to start a new thread, placed in appropriate forum subject section.

    *
    Do not post blocks of colored text. Red text is reserved for mods, so please do not use any shade of red at all, ever. (This is very important for others to be able to skim messages.)

    *
    Keep signature images under 100 pix vertically and keep the file size as low as possible. Some people are still on dial-up.

    * Try to handle
    moderation concerns through the proper channels - do not start a thread about it.

    * Keep
    posts entirely consisting of "QFT", it's best for most.

    * NO TROLLING.


    * Post at forums
    because you enjoy interacting with people on this sort of level.

    * NO TROLLING.

    *
    Do not double post. Use the Edit Button.


    I hope this was helpful. 


    Earnestly,

    ahki, emerald city, wa-state

    -----Original Message-----
    From: kulesse <forums@adobe.com>
    To: e a <ensignahkinum@aim.com>
    Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:33 am
    Subject: [Flash Player] Flash player crashes all browsers

     
    EAhkinum did u see to whom I responded? And about dingbat, see this :
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dingbat
    Now u know what dingbat is...

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    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    GOOD NEWS!

    It seems like Microsoft fixed the problem for IE. After the recent updates ( I use Vista) for IE,  I reïnstalled flash and it seems like the problem is over. I'm surfing a couple of days now en IE does not crash at all!

    The other browsers still have the same problem. A funny thing is that if I use one of the other browsers, Opera/FF/Safari/Chrome etc.., until they crash en after that try to use IE, IE freezes and can't make a connection with the internet. Just like before.

    I know some guys who are webmasters for a very large website that has millions of visitors everyday. They reported that the saw a very fast change in the browseruse of their visitors. I think it has to do with this problem.

    I begin to think that MS has something to do with this also. I still however hope that Microsofts Silverlight will have a larger marketshare than it has now. Because Adobe is begining to have communist mentality with their monopoly like position.

    gridsleepAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    Monopoly is a function of Capitalism, not Communism.  Back to Economics 101 for you.

    kulesse
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    I found the solution.Just turn off firewall and antivirus.In my case : ZoneAlarm 9.0.114 and Norton AV 2010.Since I did so, adobe flash player works fine.I am happy, because I avoid reinstalling the system.I'm thinking to apologize to Adobe

    gridsleepAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    Gee, I hope you're joking.  It's more important for you to see people's cute kiddy videos than to keep your computer free of intrusion?  And you no longer see this as an Adobe issue?  Oh, I so hope you are joking.

    kulesse
    Participating Frequently
    November 7, 2009

    While I wached the movie, I am going to shutdown protection, so what? I'm quite serious Hey man, I'm joking I'll not shut down protection, but i will find some another solution.After a little research, I realized that a firewall is main cause of my problems, that are very similar as described above, so Norton remains in the game.I will change only ZoneAlarm.Try and let me know if this succesfull.

    November 7, 2009

    Adobe Flash Player most certainly qualifies as crapware in the Windows 7 operating system.  I have started notifiying sales websites that use Adobe Flash Player that I won't be able to make a purchase since their website crashes my computer due to their poor choice of using Adobe Flash Player.

    In the meantime, Microsoft needs to issue a public warning that Adobe Flash Player is trashing the computers of the unsuspecting.