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[scott w] wrote:
My issues with the Creative Cloud have NOTHING to do with pricing. Doc has effectively made it about pricing by trying to defend the pricing.
My primary issue with the Creative Cloud is the "No pay, no play" aspect of it.
Don't let Doc make it about pricing.. that's not the problem.
Yes, "No Pay, No Play" is what has everyone launching the pitch forks and sticking "The Greedy Pig".
If Adobe is going to do away with versions the way they have stated they want to, the only thing I can think of that would work is, after 24-months you can cancel and own the program... or 36 months the suite. Similar to carrier/phone plans. It would be completely on Adobe's side then to update frequently and keep people either on CC or to come back to it as soon as possible.
For people that don't have to share their raw working files, that could work.... couldn't it?
I state specifically not sharing of raw working files, because as with a phone plan, any and every date is possible. You, or for instance the person that you're giving the working files to will always have to have at the very least, the same upgrades or features installed. I see that being a major mess, unless the CC versions will warn when opening a file what's missing to edit it. As I understand it, Adobe is not talking a simple "created in CS5 and trying to open in CS3" not working. It very well could look like a "missing fonts list" in a magazine layout without a font folder.
@JET - "Latest offering" - on a weekly/monthly basis?... how are you going to determine when it's time to quit? Pronto after 24 months?
As an example: so when an adjustment filter bug-fix doesn't fit your needs the week you can go "unlocked", you're going to quit the sub... without knowing beforehand that the "Rounded Corners Palette Widget*" from Photoshop will be added next week to Illustrator, and a week later to inDesign.
It's unfortunate... but I truly don't think that Adobe is going to lay out a map of what their planning for new features or when they will release them. For CC to even be conceivable for Adobe and to keep people on it, they must pretty much do what they've said they would and actually have done with the Edge tools: frequent feature updates and bug fixes. I've said previously that they surely have that trick up their sleeve and a staggered calendar all ready to go.
If anything... it's just that "trick" that I'm accepting, look forward to, and am willing to pay for. Others consider it evil and a money grab. I'm certainly open to Perpetual Licensing even though I won't use it, I just don't see the benefit of it.
* NOTE: back around the time when Adobe introduced the Plug-In architecture to Photoshop, there was some discussion about them also developing "modular software". It is something I remember because I always thought it would be a really good idea. We've had all of these multiple programs, duplicating the menus, panels, dialog boxes, prefs... what have you. A far more efficient approach would be to add those things as "feature modules" if you need them, not unlike the plug-ins we all enjoy today.
Within Illustrator, look at all the goodness and features that the Astute Graphics plug-ins add (some would say, complete the mess that is Illustrator). What if Adobe is planning on going this route with their software as well? There's certainly recent evidence of this within the suite even today with the Mini Bridge (widget) for example.
Just curious what others have to say without getting personal... egads! 
[scott w] wrote:
DocPixel-BMW wrote:
..... the only thing I can think of that would work is, after 24-months you can cancel and own the program... or 36 months the suite. ....
IF that is implemented, yes it would suffice. But that's a mighty big IF.
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Back-saving on the fly is not an option. See item 1 above.
This is an unacceptable issue. I'm not of mind to simply "trust" that Adobe will do right by this. It is in their interest to keep me feeding at the CC teet as long as they can. It would seem, they feel holding me, or rather my files, hostage is their current solution.
My business does not operate in a bubble. I require my tools to be accessable in any situation under any number of circumstances. This is why I purchased my tools to begin with - to allow my busines the flexibility to operate how it needs to. By being forced into a one-direction path which ends abruputly in a dead end, I am being asked to forsee a day when my business dies and I no longer need any of the tools I've spend so much money and time investing in. Adobe is asking me to support their new business model while at the same time ruining mine.
Well I can definitly see your concerns... and truthfully... they should be the same ones as I should have.
It all very well does come down to trust... and I can only agree with you that Adobe has NOT earned it over the last few years. Not to mention transparency. Adobe MUST as you say write this all down for all to see and understand... not in a legalese filled EULA... but plain, simple to understand English (translated later of course). They have to put it in "Stone" (Sans please 
) whether they want to or not, if the Internet uproar is anything to judge by. And I do think perpetual licensing will live on in way or another as well, for the forementioned reason. Folks just are not going to stand by and watch this time, that's almost for certain.
I guess you could call my stance simply "wishful thinking". All of my posts have stated somewhere my undying "hope" and how I would "like" to see Adobe progress. Maybe it's an Utopian wish(?)... but it doesn't stop me personally from seeing what they have to offer, even with the caveats that I secretly may have, and you express so eloquently.
Re: Rent Abatement: ... it would be a first. At least in the software and tech arena. Paid web services and "rented connectivity (cells)" as an example can go down (and do) without recourse, and most if not all software is "as is" and "no implied usability"... blah, blah, blah. I can't see that going anywhere, but it would be interesting to try.
I don't know why it feels like sad news
should we be exited instead about the new CC features?
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