Type on path moves when resizing objects

[GriffinGrace]

I have created a suite of icons that have live type on a circular path. When I resize these (by dragging the corners) the type jumps off its original orientation and I have to reset it again - see screen grab.

This doesn't happen if I scale it using the % field and I need the type to be live in order to develop more icons.

I have had this trouble for many years and just manually reset them all. Any one have any suggestions??

Mac OS Sonoma 14.4.1
Adobe Illustrator 2024 28.5

[Anubhav M]

Hello @GriffinGrace,

I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I tried replicating this on my end but was unable to do so. Would you mind sharing some more details, like the exact details of your workflow, if Illustrator behaves this way with all files and, if not, a public link to a sample file after uploading it to Dropbox/Google Drive/etc., and a screen recording of the entire workflow (https://adobe.ly/44XSf3G), so we can investigate this further?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thanks,

Anubhav

[GriffinGrace]

Hi Anubhav
It happens on every file that has type on a path.

My workflow in the instance of the recording:
- I copied and pasted from my master artwork.

- held Shift to scale and dragged the corners out.

Once it has flipped, I have to manually set each icon back up again. 

[Jess Telmanik]

Hi @GriffinGrace I'm curious, were these originally created in Illustrator Desktop, Web or iPad?

[GriffinGrace]

All created on my Desktop. Mac Studio, using Adobe 24 - 28.5

[Jess Telmanik]

Thank you @GriffinGrace Very odd bug here, but Sonoma has seemed to cause some very weird glitches overall. I hope this is resolved soon for you!

[GriffinGrace]

Hi Anubhav... any ideas?

I saw some old posts from 2019, 21, 23 - with no resolution either.
It is a really bad bug!

[GriffinGrace]

Hi Anubhav, please find attached a link to a broken file.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9woulu1hu40yp8cayqxs1/BrokenType.ai?rlkey=pae4761pwdq41n7djg0mnqtv8&s...

[GriffinGrace]

Hi again.

Any chance you have had a look at this?

How do I go about highlighting this thread to get assistance?

Thanks

[Ares Hovhannesyan]

Usually when user dragging text on path with mouse and it flips to other side. Alt prevent that jumping. Does it helps you?

[GriffinGrace]

Thank you for your suggestion. No help with Alt either.

[Mike_Gondek]

What happens if you use scale tool instead of dragging corners?

Try outlining the type or making a symbol, then scaling.

[GriffinGrace]

Thank you for your suggestion.
The scale tool is ok, but I don't always know what size I want it to be.
I need the fonts live in order to create a suite. Once I get to Final Artwork, I have to outline it.

[Mike_Gondek]

Yes I had a suspected you may desire the fonts to be editable, but that tells me valuable information about your problem that it resides in the live fonts.

You can use the scale tool without knowing the final size. Select object, hold down shift, then click and drag.

If you still need help, can you post a copy of the file, we can better troubleshoot if this is a font issue or some setting is on the typography.  You can use google drive or similar to post a shareable link.

[GriffinGrace]

Hey Mike
"You can use the scale tool without knowing the final size. Select object, hold down shift, then click and drag." - this is exactly what I am doing.
I am a packaging designer. I need to be able to scale my artwork manually - ie, resizing a 500g pack to a 1kg pack with different proportions. The icons are usually locked in size with the rest of the artwork.

Here is a link with some of the icons. It does this every time I use type on a path. The large oval uses Adobe Fonts.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9woulu1hu40yp8cayqxs1/BrokenType.ai?rlkey=pae4761pwdq41n7djg0mnqtv8&s...

Thanks

Nat

[Jacob Bugge]

Griffin,

What happens if you add an independent oversize nostroke nofill circle outside each outermost circle, or just an oversize rectangle for all the circles, include those/that in the Artwork Group, and then ShiftClickDrag (and maybe hold Alt/Option to scale from the centre to avoid moving the whole thing?

[GriffinGrace]

Thanks Jacob
This doesn't work either. I feel like I have tried everything!! I am a packaging designer so often I am transforming these icons with other elements (empty or not) such as the dieline or other templates.

It happens on every instance of type on paths. Whether it is one element or many.

[atomicvibe]

I can confirm that in 28.7.1, the issue still persists. I have never experienced this issue until yesterday, and I was using whatever the previous release of Illustrator was. Since I had never experienced this phenomenon before, I checked CC to see if there was an Illustrator update, which there was. So I updated to 28.7.1, thinking the bug had been resolved, but it's still there. And Undo doesn't work in this situation.

See screenshots of this phenomenon. The first image depicts me clicking on the bottom right handle to resize. The second image shows how text moves on the circular path when shift-dragging to resize.

Clicking on resize handleResizing moves text on circular path

[Dynamic_fan1416]

I've been dealing with this bug since I was at university.... 15 years ago! Would really like a definitive answer on this, please. Just let us know if it is indeed an issue with dodgey fonts, or if it is a bug within the software, at the bare minimum. Makes me look like an utter idiot in front of clients and other designers when I pull my work up and the roundel type and it is all over the place, upside down. Can't even CTRL+Z it back! Let's get the basics fixed before spending any more effort on AI stuff.

[GG_Nat]

I went through many rounds of trouble shooting with Adobe techs and they couldn't once replicate the issue. They deemed it to be not a bug and closed the case. 
It still happens to me everyday!! And like you, has been happening for as long as I can remember!!

[Monolab]

I just ran into this after using Illustrator for over two decades. My situation was slightly different. Every time I moved a path with type, the type would flip or change position. Ultimately I changed the font color and it remained stable enough that I could work with it. It makes no sense but allowed me to get through an otherwise impossble task and maintain design integrity.

[GG_Nat]

It drives me crazy. I'm terrified I will send artwork off with a flipped device!

adobe was absolutely no help. I spent hours sharing files etc with them to them deeming it not an issue. I laughed when they said that "illustrator doesn't have ANY bugs!!"

[Abhishek Rao]

Hi @Dynamic_fan1416, @Monolab & @GG_Nat,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I tested this behavior on Illustrator version 29.8.2 on Windows 11, and it worked fine for me. The type stayed correctly aligned when resizing. Could you please confirm which version of Illustrator and operating system you're currently using? Also, does this happen consistently with all your files or only with certain ones? If possible, please share one of the affected files so I can test it directly and get back to you with more specific findings.

Looking forward to your update.

Abhishek

[Monolab]

Hi Abhishek,

Currently using Adobe Illustrator 28.7.7 on Mac Sequoia 15.7. This was the first time encountering the issue. It is crucuial to our workflow to save live type versions of our files. If this were to happen to all of our files, thousands would be affected. The Ai file being edited was originally created using Illustrator 21.1.0 on unknown Mac system. Unfortunaetly due to NDA I cannot share the file.

Thank you

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Hi Monolab,

Thanks for sharing the requested information. Would you mind updating Illustrator to the current version 29.8.2 and let us know if you're still experiencing the issue?

We will be happy to assist you further.

Thanks,

Harshika