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Adobe Arabic text with English numerals

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May 19, 2019
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I design documents for my client in both English and Arabic. When designing the Arabic documents, the numbers automatically default to Arabic. My client would like the numbers in English. What is the most efficient way to make this a global change?

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In the Middle Eastern (ME) version of InDesign, in paragraph style options, under the "Middle East Character Formats", there's a dropdown called Digits. Here you can choose one of four options: Default (whatever the font designer has chosen as the default for that font), Arabic, Hindi or Farsi.

This is where you'd select the style of digits needed. The same options are also available if you select some text and open the flyout menu of the control panel.

Sorry for resuscitating an old thread, but it's still one of the first to come up in Google today (2022).

Ariel

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In the Middle Eastern (ME) version of InDesign, in paragraph style options, under the "Middle East Character Formats", there's a dropdown called Digits. Here you can choose one of four options: Default (whatever the font designer has chosen as the default for that font), Arabic, Hindi or Farsi.

This is where you'd select the style of digits needed. The same options are also available if you select some text and open the flyout menu of the control panel.

Sorry for resuscitating an old thread, but it's still one of the first to come up in Google today (2022).

Ariel

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fabulousdesigner

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I've been creating Arabic versions of some clients documents in Indesign. Using the World Composer and style sheets has worked out well for importing Word docs and formatting the design. However all of the english/roman numbers come in transposed... RtoL and I have to go in and flip them so they are LtoR. For instance, I have a lot of dates and they import as '1202' instead of '2021'. Does anyone know if there is a box to click somewhere that will make the numbers come in LtoR?

Joel Cherney

Community Expert

Thank you Joel. I do handle it now the way you suggest. I love style sheets and have one that I use to swap the numbers after they are imported. Its just really annoying and was hoping there was something that I was missing that would automatically do it for me and save me time! Thanks again.

Well, if your Arabic Word files all come from the same source, you can figure out how it's beying keyed in, and when placing your Word doc, you can check the Import Options box (right above the filename field in the Place dialog) and get the Word Import Options dialog. Depending on how your Word files are made, you might find it advantageous to strip all formatting from the Word doc. Or maybe it would make more sense to e.g. write a VBA script to run in Word that marks all numerals with a unique character style in Word, and then custom map styles in ID to styles from Word. This can be a lot of manual work, and in some cases, that work pays off in reduced formatting time in InDesign. I've done this before myself; the Word prep script took some time to perfect, but it took a bunch of formatting and turned it into maybe six clicks. (Open up the Word file, run the script, save the Word file, place it in InDesign, use custom style mapping.) But it's being caused by how Word and InDesign interpret glyphs differently, and so there isn't a single setting that does exactly what you want.

Zaid Al Hilali

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Which font are you using in Arabic? You're aware that some fonts may not have Arabic and Hindi numbers, you may check in the Glyphs panel to see if the font has both numbers.

There are fair amount of controls in InDesign to handle multilingual publications such as yours, all you need to do is to fiddle with the settings in Character and Paragraph panels and their fly-out menus. Would be nice to see what settings you're using there.

Willi Adelberger

Community Expert

1. Create a character style with the language

"English" (if the font does not contain Western Numbers, you have to choose a font that does contain it.

2. Create a Paragraph Style in the GREP section, select the Character style and apply it to GREP \d+

Derek Cross

Community Expert

This might make you laugh (or cry!):

Most Americans say ‘Arabic numerals’ should not be taught in school, finds survey | The Independent

Steve Werner

Community Expert

How very sad! Shameful ignorance and prejudice! And I'm saying that as an American citizen.

Derek Cross

Community Expert

Not to worry, we have a few of them over this side of the pond too Steve.

Dave Creamer of IDEAS

Community Expert

I assume your numbers are appearing in an Arabic writing style (ref: Numbers 1-10(١- أقرام ١٠) )

Have you tried using a character style set to the English language? You could also set up a GREP style setting that automatically changes any digits to that character style.

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)

Derek Cross

Community Expert

Actually "English" numbers (1, 2, 3, etc) are considered Arabic.

Read all about it: Arabic numerals - Wikipedia

The only other numbering system we (occasionally) use is Roman numerals

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