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dalev1856
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July 17, 2022
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Adobe Creative Cloud Fonts with ID?

  • July 17, 2022
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I am a graphic designer who sends ID files to clients who send them to printers for printing.

I know Type 1 fonts will not be supported after Jan 2023, so I'll be switching over to fonts from Adobe Creative Cloud. When I package ID files and send them to clients, what happens to the ACC fonts? Are the fonts included in the package folder? If not do the ACC fonts open when some opens them with a ACC account in ID?

 

thanks!

Dale 

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... sometimes they need to make minor edits to legal lines and such. As well they require both for archiving purposes. I've seen third party aps that let you edit pdfs. I think I will experiment with converting the text to outlines.

By @dalev1856

 

Oh gosh no. Don't do that!

If you want the PDF to be editable, then do not convert the fonts to outlines; that creates graphics of each letter and the text can't be edited!

 

Leave the fonts/text as is, and when making the PDF, embed the fonts into the PDF. To export a high-res PDF for printing:

  1. File / Export / PDF (Print)
  2. At the Export Adobe PDF dialogue, select either Press-Quality or PDF/X-4:2008 from the top-most drop-down.
  3. Make any adjustments to the export settings specified by the print shop, such as to pick up the document's bleed settings. But generally leave the graphics and color settings as is. This setting also automatically embeds the fonts into the PDF.

 

RE: Fonts, you can use any brand of OpenType/Unicode fonts in your InDesign layouts, not just those available through Adobe.

 

Google Fonts are professional quality fonts that are open-source: that is, you can download them to your computer and install them, use them in any program (not just Creative Cloud apps), embed them into PDFs, and package them for your print shop. "Open-source" means that they have a very generous and liberal user license. See https://fonts.google.com/.  And Google Fonts are free and don't have any additional licensing fees.

 

Other font foundries, such as Linotype https://www.linotype.com, Monotype https://www.myfonts.com,   Fonts.com https://www.fonts.com, and many others, also have OpenType/Unicode fonts you can purchase (not free). But they do have additional fees for embedding the fonts into PDFs, usually on a per-document basis.

 

7 replies

Rishabh_Tiwari
Rishabh_Tiwari
Legend
July 18, 2022

Hi @dalev1856 ,

 

Thanks for reaching out. In addition to the suggestions shared above, here is an article with more information on using fonts in InDesign.

 

Regards

Rishabh

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Dirk Becker
Legend
July 18, 2022

Fonts can get withdrawn from the Cloud. I don't know if that has been an issue in recent years, or if there is a mechanism to provide such fonts in order to support existing documents.

Packaging a font the traditional way provides exactly the version used to compose the document. So if a newer revision of the font comes along with more or "improved" glyphs, some adjustments to kerning pairs, reworked stylistic sets and other bells and whistles, there might be subtle changes to the document unless the cloud again ensures the exact version.

I have no positive or negative experience with either case, as most of my font related work is with fonts controlled on premise, for documents with short lifecycle.

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    LaubenderCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    July 18, 2022

    @Dirk Becker said:" I don't know if that has been an issue in recent years, or if there is a mechanism to provide such fonts in order to support existing documents."

     

    Hi Dirk,

    yes, it already happened that fonts were withdrawn from Adobe Fonts. More than one time!

     

    May 2020

    https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-fonts-discussions/foundries-leaving-adobe-fonts/td-p/11110604

     

    September 2021

    https://fonts.adobe.com/foundries/morisawa

     

    And it also happened that fonts were renamed. Together with changes in glyph sets and individual glyphs!

    That's a very peculiar issue; that you are not be able to visually replicate a given text you typeset a year ago.

    To correct that is a huge task.

     

    June 2022

    https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/schrift-rubrik-edge-new/m-p/13001295#M480758

    The official statement:

    https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-fonts-discussions/fonts-from-the-foundry-newlyn-will-be-replaced-on-june-6th-2022/td-p/12865366

     

    Regards,
    Uwe Laubender
    ( Adobe Community Professional )

    Derek Cross
    Community Expert
    Derek CrossCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    July 18, 2022

    As mentioned, there are a number of issues with outlining type in a document, only one of which being that the content is no longer editable, also outlining type tends to fatten the appearance of the type.

    Willi Adelberger
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    Willi AdelbergerCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    July 17, 2022

    I would recommend not to send open files to a printer, not because they don't have ACC fonts, because they have them when they are legal users.

     

    But we run into different problems:

    1. They have different user dictionaries. They should use the document embedded dictionary and not their own user dictionary. Because many printers have a bad training they use their own user dictionary which causes a different hyphenation.
    2. I experienced many printers which open linked files from Illustrator and Photoshop. But if used assets which are not bundled or fonts they do not have those files are destroyed imediately when the file is saved and closed. Due to poor training many printer don't know this problem.
    3. If you send the printer open files and the printer uses a different version or a different OS it can cause a different composition.

     

    Send a PDF to the printer, never any open file.

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    dalev1856Author
    Participating Frequently
    July 17, 2022

    Thanks. I would prefer to just send high res pdfs, but sometimes they need to make minor edits to legal lines and such. As well they require both for archiving purposes. I've seen third party aps that let you edit pdfs. I think I will experiment with converting the text to outlines.

    BobLevine
    Community Expert
    BobLevineCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    July 17, 2022

    Why in the world would you do something like that?

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      dalev1856Author
      Participating Frequently
      July 17, 2022

      Good to know, thanks!

      Derek Cross
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      Derek CrossCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      July 17, 2022

      Does your client (and/or their printers) have an identical copy of InDesign, if so, the fonts will be included in the package?

      Normal work practice is to send a PDF of the file rather than the InDesign document.

      Note the warning.

       

      BobLevine
      Community Expert
      BobLevineCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      July 17, 2022

      They are NOT packaged. It is expected that the recipient will also have a CC account and therefore will have access to the fonts which will be activated when the file is opened and the recipient is prompted to do so.

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      dalev1856Author
      Participating Frequently
      July 17, 2022

      Thanks!

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