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Usually the top arrow is solid black, for grabbing and moving, and the second arrow is white for grabbing and moving photos inside a picture box for example. Did they get switched around in 2022 InDesign? Now the grab arrow is white, and the move objects inside is black? Am I nuts?
Edit > Preferences > Interface > Appearance > choose the light gray appearance.
I cannot answer your second question. Insufficient data.
The Selection tool (the top arrow) is now always the solid arrow; the Direct Selection tool is now always the hollow arrow.
But not in Illustrator? They switched it in InDesign but not in their sister software?
The Illustrator team [sometimes] takes forever to catch up with ID and PS.
A few things that come to mind off the top of my head:
It's not the interface; have been using this interface for a couple of years and never any issues. It's the upgrade.
You're not crazy, it's just a challenging icon design for the dark UI. Maybe the thinking is that the lighter arrow stands out more in the darker toolbar, but you're right that it doesn't match the actual cursor.
No, I have been using the dark interface for a couple of years. It's not that.
You're right. I just looked back at a screenshot of an older version and the top arrow was dark and bottom arrow was light. It looks like a mistake by Adobe. Maybe it has to do with the new UI Scaling they added.
The toolbar icon does not match and actual cursor (it's opposite), and someone is confused. In UI design, that is a mistake. Just because you can explain a reasoning does not make it good user-centered design.
It's not as simple as solid vs hollow... because both of the actual cursors have outlines! The black fill arrow has a white outline, and the light gray fill (used to be white) has a black and white double outline. Depending on the background you may not always see all those outlines, but sometimes you do.
Adobe should make the toolbar icon match the overall feel of the actual cursor when the primary difference is black vs light gray. That's how they had prevoiusly done it! I think this could be an accident when updating the app, but if not... it's a step in the wrong direction.
It makes sense to me if I think of the hollow arrow (the direct selection tool) letting the background show through on the toolbar. On screen, the Selection tool is solid, and the Direct Selection tool is "hollow" (but doesn't let the background show through). The keyboard shortcuts are the same and the tool positions are the same, so I don't really care what they look like.
IMO, the biggest problem is that Illustrator did not follow suite (but no surprise there...), and Photoshop to some extent (although those tools are not used as much).
Going on the assumption that Adobe isn't going to change the interface unless they get a reasonable amount of user feedback, the "old" method must have been causing confusion for some. OR, my other hypothesis is that changes are made so the interface department can keep their jobs...
Thank you. I have always thought of the arrows as black and white. I started using this software so long ago. So instintively I want to click on the black arrrow, which is now the "hollow" arrow, and now is second. I flip between InDesign and Illustrator constantly, and now is and extra second everytime because it's changed.
Like when they decided Photoshop didn't need SHIFT to make scaling proportional, but left it unchanged on the rest of their software.
how do one complain to Adobe?
I've referred to the tools as black arrow and white arrow for decades. Going to have to Rekall Inc. and have my memories adjusted...
Think of the Selection tool as the moVe tool to remember the keyboard shortcut (v).
Think of the Direct Selection tool as the Art tool to remember the keyboard shortcut (a).
I feel your pain about the shift in Photoshop's use of the Shift key too.
Thanks for the info; I wonder why they don't think "InDesign users may use Illustrator, let's make the tools and behaviors similar".....
Different programming teams (probably competing for a finite amount of money).
At some point, Adobe corporate will put their foot down and say "make it so".
I don't think I've used my mouse to select a tool in 20 yrs. Utilize the keyboard shortcuts and your life will be so much happier. 😄
I hear the dark vs light, but I simply think it's a mistake from Adobe on the interface. The messed up.
Here is the Illustrator toolbar for 2022:
Illustrator works as usual, Forst arrow (black) for moving, second arrow (white) for moving the nodes of objects. In Design is now opposite. Turns out I am not nuts!
Honestly, it wouldn't be a big deal if Illustrator was the same way... they really should match each other
Adobe please fix this. Lots of designers work with Illustrator and InDesign at the same time, this is very confusing!
there is nothing broken here. There is one issue fixed with this change: now we have consistency with other tools in InDesign. That Illustrator and PhotoShop did not follow is a different thing.
Top row is InDesign 2021, bottom one is InDesign 2022:
Have an eye on the Page Tool that did not change between the two versions. Especially look at the little arrow inside the Page Tool. The big brothers "Selection" and consequently "Direct Selection" now follow the same scheme "solid" and "hollow".
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I get your point, but the consistency within the Adobe family is an important part. With all due respect but are you guys not talking to each other? You are selling the apps as a bundle, so there should be a smooth workflow using them at the same time.
Thank you for the screenshots; but in the Dark mode, it did change. The top arrow was "black" inside and now it's solid white. The arrow below used to be white filled and now it's black filled. In your ID 2022 comparing dark and light modes side to side, I see what you are saying, they made the top "solid" and the bottow "outlined", but I (and apparently a lot of users), don't see them that way but rather identifying the color of the fill. I haven't used the light theme in years, I can't compare it in my brain. All I know is that now the arrows "look" like they have been switched around.
Thanks for being part of the discussion.