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March 5, 2021
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Background color for photo: "paper" or "none?" Does it matter anymore...?

  • March 5, 2021
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I've been doing graphic design for a very long time, through PageMaker, Quark and InDesign. In the past we would always designate "paper" as the background for any photos or text that didn't have a reason to use transparency. Now it seems that "none," or transparent, is the default. It is okay that most of my images and text boxes have a background of "none," or should I go through my InDesign files and change all to "paper?" Just curious. Does it matter anymore? This is a large book that is loaded with photos and artwork, some transparency is needed on a few. It will be sent to the printer as a "press ready" PDF. So? what about those backgrounds on my images?

 

Is there a preference anymore?

6 replies

rob day
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March 6, 2021

It’s worth noting that the Overprint Preview (the print soft proof), and the Transparency Blend space settings can have a significant affect on the appearance of a [Paper] filled object when it is interacting with transparency—for print projects you really have to pay attention to the Overprint/Separation Preview setting.

 

Here the Transparency Blend Space set to CMYK with Overprint Preview turned on and off:

 

 

Same page with the Transparency Blend space set to RGB:

 

 

 

The same will happen in Photoshop when the Background layer is filled with 100% transparent pixels vs. 100% opaque white pixels.

 

Overprint Preview also works differently with process vs. spot colors:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/indesign-rendering-illustrator-linked-graphics-differently-across-pages/td-p/10873261

 

 

 

eahuffmanAuthor
Inspiring
March 8, 2021

Thank you Rob. I'm so glad to have asked my question and have gotten all the answers, good ones, that I would ever want. I'm going to have to come back to this later, but wanted to empress my thanks now. I love this kind of stuff!

eahuffmanAuthor
Inspiring
March 15, 2021

All these answers were interesting and helpful. :  )

Colin Flashman
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March 6, 2021

Yes I remember doing this too. It was to compensate for a Quark bug that would make some graphics that had contours come out "jaggy" so the frame always had to have a paper color.

In InDesign the frame can be whatever color is required.

If the answer wasn't in my post, perhaps it might be on my blog at colecandoo!
Legend
March 6, 2021

There is a difference between "paper" and "none" but it is not applicable when you are making the final result for printing. The difference will be seen if you take what you made and stick it over something else. There are many ways and reasons why this might happen. A fill of "paper" will print as nothing, but WILL COVER WHAT IS BENEATH - what you might have seen will be deleted. A fill of "none" will show what is below.


At least, that's my understanding of what "paper" does. I may be completely wrong, I haven't tested it.

Community Expert
March 6, 2021

When it's set to paper - and you make a PDF - you can turn on the transparency grid in Acrobat Preferences.

 

Under Acrobat Preferences

Page Content And Information

  • Show Transparency Grid: Displays the grid behind transparent objects.
eahuffmanAuthor
Inspiring
March 5, 2021

I get it...that paper is the actual paper color (I'm not trying to duplicate the look of it) I'm not trying to set it here. I'm assuming that the paper is "white" or "cream" or whatever, and that will happen when it's printed.

 

The question is: is the quality of the image, when reproduced...or the processing time for the printer (commericial 4-press printer) the same if I have a book filled with images that are (not needing a transparcncy setting) and either loaded into "container boxes" of "paper" or "none?" If there are quality or processing time issues, that's all I'm concerned about. It's a pretty basic question. Nothing fancy, no transparency, no k.o.s, and no "layers." I will keep them "none" unless I should change them for a reason.

 

And thank you for your response!

rob day
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Community Expert
March 5, 2021

The question is: is the quality of the image, when reproduced... I'm assuming that the paper is "white" or "cream" or whatever, and that will happen when it's printed.

 

The color of the [Paper] swatch would have some affect on the softproof of the image (Overprint Preview turned on), but not its actual output values. These 3 pages would have the same CMYK output values—the appearance of the printed CMYK values would be affected by the paper’s color because offset inks are transparent:

 

 

 

 

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
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March 5, 2021

You should be using [None].

In simplest of explanations, the [Paper] colour in InDesign is really to allow you to change what your background is in your document to simulate the paper you are printing on. Most times, of course, your paper is white (or near white) so it's not really something people change often. But, say, you are printing on a coloured paper (like a cream stock or a kraft envelope) and you want to see on screen what your design will look like on that stock, you can edit [Paper] to something that approximates that colour. This is purely for the screen, and does NOT show up in output files. If you colour an object with the modified swatch, it will output with as if it was white.

Therefore, you giving your images a background of [Paper] is like laying a sheet of paper between your image and whatever background items you have. This will affect how certain Transparency effects work when applied to the image itself within the frame, e.g. Multiply.

 

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
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March 5, 2021

Oops. rob beat me to it!

 

rob day
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March 5, 2021

The default [Paper] swatch is unique and represents the actual paper color with no ink printed. If I set the [Paper] swatch to pink, a blank page will display as pink—doesn’t matter what the [Paper] swatch color mode, or Overprint Preview setting is:

 

 

If I make a CMYK 0|0|0|0 White swatch and use it as the fill for the container frame holding a transparent PSD it will preview differently depending on whether Overprint Preview is turned on, but the output values for [Paper] and 0|0|0|0 White will be the same:

 

Overprint/Separation Preview turned Off

 

 

 

Overprint/Separation Preview On: