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October 15, 2024
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Background Color Mismatch with Text/Objects in Print, But Not in PDF

  • October 15, 2024
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Our magazine had a print issue and I am trying to figure out what went wrong--I was not involved in this issue and I want to prevent this problem from arising again.

 

The attached images show the background color of the page does not match when there are objects or text in front of it. The "background" of the text/objects should be transparent, so there should be no color difference.  Keep in mind, there is no highlight on the text, and the issue does not show up in the PDFs--only in print.

 

Can anyone help figure out what went wrong? What issue is this?

 

 

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Brad @ Roaring Mouse
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October 16, 2024

This appears to be a flattening issue. Whether your PDF was exported properly or not, we don't know what the printer's workflow did with it. And it appears that each flattened object is having a different color management policy applied.

Was a proof provided? If the proof was okay and was signed off on, then it's the printer's problem.

Can you provide a PDF? (in particular I'd like to see the one with the text against the yellow/orange photo). I will test it on one of my RIPs.

Participant
October 22, 2024

Ok, sounds good. If you get a chance, could you look at the PDFs I attached? Thank you for your help!

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
Community Expert
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October 23, 2024

Was this the actual PDF sent to print?

Outside of the missing bleed, I’m curious how it was exported, as the metadata indicated it was last saved using something other than InDesign’s PDF export library.

What are you Color Settings for InDesign?

What is your Transparency Blend Space?

What are your usual PDF export settings?

While I wait for those answers, this is what I’ve found:

The PDF attached here by itself is fine***. It does have live transparency, and is a mix of RGB and CMYK objects, but at some point during the prepress workflow it was indeed flattened, and after that some mismanagement came into play. It seems after it was flattened, the flattened objects were converted to CMYK with a different color profile than the rest of it. Say your flattened objects were flattened according to a GRACOL profile (if that was what your Color Setting for Document CMYK specified), while their RIP uses something else, like Web Coated; this would apply to all the non-flattened objects.

There’s too much here to figure out exactly what went wrong, so this is a general explanation, but the lack of a proof is a problem; this issue should have shown there and it could have been addressed. Also: it speaks of a lazy prodcution crew; they should have seen the problem well before it even hit the press, and even the pressman should have flagged it to question it.

I test-flattened your PDF for page 11. On that page the white title is an RGB object against a CMYK background, so when flattened, both the Transparency Blend space and the Profile assigned to your document will affect how it’s flattened to CMYK. In my example, if I view it in Acrobat using the the Output Simulation profile of GRACOL, it all looks fine, as that profile is applied to all objects on the page. However, if I switch it to Web Coated, you can see how it affects the appearance of just the non-flattened objects.

 [*** mostly fine. There are several pages where the text and some backgrounds used Registration colour (100C 100M 100Y 100K). This should be changed to just 100K for the text and a nice Rich Black for the background (e.g. 40C 30M 30Y 100K); 400% ink coverage is too much. ]

rob day
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October 15, 2024

Hi @oliver_5572 , What is the output device? Is it separated offset printing or some kind of shortrun composite printer? Can you share the PDF?

Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

It is probably shortrun composite printer as only 750 copies were printed. I have attached the PDF.

Luke Jennings3
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Community Expert
October 15, 2024

The pdf must be viewed in Acrobat or Reader only, with the page display preference for overprint preview set to "always".

If everything looks good here, it's the printer's fault. You can probably prevent future issues by requesting a pdf proof from the printer before going to press.

Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

Ok, I did that and it looks good. I wasn't involved with the issue, and my understanding is that no proofs were received from the printer at the time. 

Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

But with those view settings, there are some idiosyncracies, like this number having a transparency effect which does not show up at all in print.

BobLevine
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Community Expert
October 15, 2024

BTW, screen shots and pics are worthless in this case. We'd need to see the PDF AND know the exact export settings.

Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

Ok, I have attached the PDF we sent to the printer. I also have attached screenshots of the settings that were most likely used. 

I'm not sure if this is relevant but I believe the PDFs were exported individually and then compiled into one master PDF (the one I attached below).

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 15, 2024

Did you ask the printer?

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
October 15, 2024

@oliver_5572

 

If there are no problems when viewing in Acrobat - then RIP is at fault.

 

Bill Silbert
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Community Expert
October 15, 2024

Do the imported images have any transparency effects applied in their original programs? This kind of background interference is not uncommon with silhouetted objects containing transparency such as a drop shadow and will often show up in PDFs as well as in print. I am guessing that the PDFs that were correct for you had their standard set as PDF/X-4:2010 in the Export Adobe PDF dialog window. This type of PDF is the best when transparency is involved. I would suggest in the future that you have your printer use these PDFs in their printing process rather than printing directly out of InDesign. 

Willi Adelberger
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Community Expert
October 15, 2024

Is the text rasterized? If so, why? Use no pixel text 

Is any transparency effect applied to the text?