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Bizarre bug: dynamic footnote jumps to middle of text frame

New Here ,
Jun 06, 2025 Jun 06, 2025

Please see screenshot.

 

What I did: I applied a paragraph style containing "split column" options to some text.

What happened: one of the several dynamic footnotes in the text frame jumped to above the multicolumn text. Only the note whose reference occurs before the multicolumn text moved.

What now: I am stuck with a renegade footnote in the middle of the text flow, separated from the other notes at the bottom. I can't get it to rejoin its friends.

What I wished had happened: Not this. Footnotes should stay at the foot of the page.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Josh

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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Hi @joshualangman ,

please supply an InDesign document where this happens.

Could be dummy text, if you do not want to share the original content.

 

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

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New Here ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Third page of this document.

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New Here ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Hi Uwe,

 

Thanks for looking into this. Can you confirm that this is a bug?

 

Josh

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Community Expert ,
Jun 09, 2025 Jun 09, 2025

@joshualangman asked: "… Can you confirm that this is a bug?"

 

Hi Josh,

absolutely. Peter Kahrel already filled in the details.

Working with a table instead of split paragraphs would be the alternative.

So go ahead with that workaround.

 

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Uwe Laubender
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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

An old sore. Adobe insist it was designed that way, it's not a bug. Poor design you'll say, but there you are. If tou want it changed, join the crowds at https://indesign.uservoice.com

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New Here ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Hi, Peter! Good to see your name here. (Not sure if you remember, but you wrote some scripts for me many years ago.)

 

How could this possibly not be a bug? Is this a known issue? I wasn't seeing anything specifically about it at Uservoice, but I did file a bug report.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Hi Joshua. Yes, I do remember -- TextBank!

 

It is a known issue and was discussed at length some years ago with Adobe engineers but they decided that this was the way it was. It was then suggested to them that what non-engineers (people like you and me) thought should be the expected behaviour should at least be added as an alternative, but it didn't happen.

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New Here ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

Thanks, Peter.

 

Even trying to think with the mind of a software developer, I don't see how this could possibly be the expected behavior. In what context would a designer want a footnote to appear in the middle of a text frame? In practice, this means that the "split column" feature is essentially unusable for me. If it doesn't play nicely with footnotes, I can't use it in academic typesetting at all. I suppose it's back to tabs or tables instead.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

There was in fact a use case, where an article's notes had to be kept with the article itself (e.g. in a journal with articles written by different authors). So when an article finishes halfway down a page, any footnotes on that page should appear immediately after the article, i.e. before the next article. But we're stuck with it, with Adobe's obsession with Adobe Express and AI there's not much hope for them to revisit footnotes.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by tabs or tables. The workaround that I would use is a variant of the scripts described here:

https://creativepro.com/files/kahrel/indesign/footnotes_columns.html

 

The idea is to convert the notes to 'normal' text and place it as a separate story that runs at the foot of the pages. It requires some manual work but it's robust and simple. I used this method when InDesign didn't have footnotes yet, and continued to use it for jobs that had complex footnotes that InDesign couldn't handle. Or because I didn't trust InDesign.

 

Either of the two scripts would probably work for you, you could try them. They're pretty old but still work well. And as I said, they can be adjusted, just send me an email if there are any problems.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

In fact, the method I outlined is similar to converting footnotes to endnotes and running the endnote story at the foot of the relevant pages. That has some advantages, but InDesign's endnotes have their own, well, dynamics, and I think I would prefer my own method, which I think is cleaner. But I should do some experiments.

 

You could also check whether Id-Extras's https://www.id-extras.com/products/footwork/ has a cut-and-ready solution for you.

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New Here ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

I wonder if we are having a bit of miscommunication. I am not using a multicolumn text frame. The text frame has a single column. I am using the paragraph-level "span/split" controls for some text that's in the middle of the story. Most of the text is in a single-column layout. But one out of several footnotes is jumping to just before the text with the "span/split" attribute applied. I will investigate your scripts and workarounds, but this is not just a single doc I am worried about; I need this to work reliably over hundreds of documents whose production I am automating as best I can.

 

When I said "tabs or tables," I meant that if instead of using "span/split," I finagle the internal columns in some clunkier way, the footnote bug goes away. Which is what I have done for now.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 07, 2025 Jun 07, 2025

No miscommunication I don't think. The scripts I mentioned were indeed written to deal with multicolumn text frames, but they can be used (maybe with some tweaks) for columns created by span/split.

 

Aha, a table to split some text. That works much better than the method I described.

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New Here ,
Jun 10, 2025 Jun 10, 2025

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for your help here. Having been a loyal InDesign user for about twenty years, I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with some of its limitations. If you'd like to see some of my complaints and wishes, you may be interested in this TypeDrawers thread: https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5369/dream-big-your-ideal-composition-typesetting-software

 

Best,

 

Josh

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Community Expert ,
Jun 10, 2025 Jun 10, 2025
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Thanks for that link, Josh, I didn't know that one (lost my way after Typophile disappeared) and I joined it. Interesting post you had there, I'll reply there later.

 

P.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 10, 2025 Jun 10, 2025

That is not a bug. Always when a different span column setting is applied, previous footnotes are above this paragraph. That is how it was designed. 

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New Here ,
Jun 10, 2025 Jun 10, 2025

Hi WIlli.

 

If I may be so bold: why? Why was this choice made? Who wanted this behavior? It makes no sense to me, and apparently not to other book designers either.

 

If this is the desired behavior, shouldn't it have relevant settings in the document footnote settings dialog? There is nothing there about it.

 

Thanks,

Josh

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