I have activated fonts on CC for the ones in my documents that are Type 1. How do I change the Type 1's, it does not seem to be done autmatically since a listing from the PDF shows that that they are still Type 1.
There are specific programs which can do that, but often it is not covered by the license agreement and often it might change the font.
But OTF can contain up to 65.000 glyphs, T1 only 255, so it is worthy to license new OTF.
If you mean you now have both T1 and OTF versions of the font and want to use the OTF version, go to Type > Find Font and change them there.
Acrobat will continu to show postscript flavored OTF fonts as Type 1 in the font properties, butif the font name is correct (presumably Std or Pro), the the correct font is being used.
Yes, I meant that. But it seems that when I activated CC fonts, the Type 1 ones disappeared from the Find Font dialog. I assume this means that the occurences of Type 1's were replaced automatically?
Fonts are never replaced automatically in InDesign (unlike some other apps which will make substitutions without even telling you).
Fonts are often converted to type 1 when a PDF is made. This is normal and will still work. You CANNOT use a PDF to find whether your installed fonts are type 1...
Thanks much, I didn't know that. One wonders: if Type 1 is so old and rusty, why does PDF still conert to them (secretly 🙂 )
PDF is now an international standard, not just an Adobe proprietary format, so there are lots of legacy requirements, and the OTF format is really, as I understand things, a wrapper for either underlying True-Type or Type1 format fonts.
Type 1 in itself is not obsolete; it is still the way a font outline is defined in Postscript fonts, and in some ways is still vastly better than TrueType outines (although this is like a VHS vs Beta argument). What HAS changed is how fonts are packaged. The problem with traditional Type 1 fonts in the past is that they usually required two files; the screen fonts and the printer fonts, and this goes back to the obsolete file system of the Macs that hasn't been used since OSX came out. Similarly, there were two (and sometimes 3) file pieces that needed to be installed in a Windows system. OTF was developed as a way to roll all the pieces into one simple file for modern systems. TrueType fonts were already a one-file font system, but the OTF standard has made them easiee to deal with as well.
The PDF will still list OTF Postscript-flavoured fonts as Type 1 because they ARE type 1 outlines, although compressed in the CFF Type2 format in the actuall OTF file, but essentially uncompressed when embedded... (they aren't doing any sort of secret conversion)
I have lots of old rohects clients reuse - and now I'll have to redo them all becuase of this change - and hope the hours spent kerning and leading for specific projects "just work" Something is wrong here....
Do you know how well Font Lab converts to Unicode?
We've heard of some problems with mapping to the correct Unicode codepoint for some glyphs. Of course, this affects accessibility and all machine reading of the text.
And are the original PS font's kerning pairs inherited into the new OpenType version?
I’ve only done limited testing, but they offer a demo. In the testing I did do, the font’s version number was maintained, so old documents automatically recognized the font.
I have lots of old rohects clients reuse - and now I'll have to redo them all becuase of this change - and hope the hours spent kerning and leading for specific projects "just work" Something is wrong here....By @Paul Kearns
You're absolutely right, something is wrong!
In a few weeks, it will be the 22nd anniversary of the computer world's switch to Unicode/OpenType fonts. The entire computer world — not just Adobe — switched to OpenType in 2000.
Sorry you missed the memo about this!
All of us designers should have migrated our clients to OpenType over the past two decades. All of Adobe's pre-2000 PS fonts were converted to OTF versions, so the swapping is easy and fast. Just activate the OTF versions of your Adobe fonts through Creative Cloud, and use Find Font to swap them out in your file. (Note, it's best to deactivate the old PS/TT versions before you swap in the new OTFs. Fewer font problems.) Leading, sizes, kerning, tracking, etc. should all be retained. There's no doom and gloom.
And by now, we should have thoroughly advised our clients, colleagues, and staff about switching exclusively to OpenType in order to be compatible with newer communication technologies...like the web!
There are tremendous benefits to OpenType versus old PostScript/Type 1 and old conventional TrueType fonts. Here are a few:
As a designer, I can't live without OpenType/Unicode fonts. I DON'T want to go back to the pre-2000 days of glitchy fonts and lousy typesetting and the straightjacket of having only 224 glyphs on a font. I want all the cool stuff, too.
I want to create for all media, not just print.
And I want it accessible.
Welcome to the new millennium, 2000.
Er … I mean 2022!
Than you Ms Chagnon
I'll be enduring the perils of my not paying attention! lol
Better get cracking before another 2 decades slip by!
0. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The old project with the Type 1 font worked for the designer and clients' purposes. You chose a font that made the visual point you wanted, with the characters you needed. If you needed any of the things the old Type 1 font couldn't do, you would have chosen a different font. Now suddenly you open something old and you have to go digging in your font directory and find out how to kludge the old font into the new format, or pick a new font, instead of just doing what you came to this file to do and get on with your life. It's a giant pain in the ass.
Suddenly? You've had years to prepare for this and you can still get around it for a while by using an older version of InDesign but at some point, and I suspect very soon, neither Microsoft nor Apple is going to give you any way to use those fonts.
As a business owner who has invested thousands of dollars in Type 1 fonts, now deciding that I should pay again for the same designs is hard to justify. With thousands of projects set in Type 1 fonts, the work required to convert them to OTF is another unnecessary expense. While OTF has some technical advantages, the practical ones are hard to see for those of us who work in English and European languages. Adobe has maneuvered itself to a dominant position in publishing technology and this font switch is another example of ignoring customers for its own benefit. I'm glad I continue to use Quark XPress and ignore InDesign.
now deciding that I should pay again for the same designs is hard to justify.
There are two alternatives for InDesign users, either convert existing type 1 libraries:
Or, don’t upgrade InDesign past CC2022—are there new InDesign features that are essential? Not for me, but eventually the OSs will also abandon Type 1 fonts.
That T1 will not be supported in the future was announced 1998 and realized now. You had enough time to move to modern technology. I doubt that Quark will support T1 as all OS will or have stopped t1 support.
Presumedly, it will be the newer versions of Adobe software that will stop recognizing T1 fonts. You could keep InDesign v16.x on your computer. You can use it as long as your OS runs it and the OS recognizes T1 fonts. (Turn off the remove old versions preference in the CC app.)
Thank you for the thoughtful replies. There are really two issues here: The font conversion utilities mentioned will solve the technical issue. However, Adobe, Apple, and other companies force us to abandon useful tools for business rather than technical reasons. Not all "upgrades" benefit end users. Why demolish PostScript Type 1? Could it not continue to co-exist with OTF as it has done for years? Regardless of the technical advances, this change imposes significant costs on companies small and large.
I have a binder full of software utilities and upgrades on DVD that I paid significant money for, which I can no longer install on my current hardware and OS. Upgrades always have a cost/benefit choice and that’s never going to change. Most font vendors stopped selling Type 1 fonts 20 years ago.
The "why" is an interesting question. There seems to be a hint that both Microsoft and Apple will phase out support in future systems. Since Adobe apps rely on the system for installing the fonts, there's a problem to solve. Whether it's the right solution is open to debate.