Endnotes refuse to reorder

[Tom34135878z6yz]

I accidentally deleted an endnote, no 67, in a book I'm working on. I have tried to reinsert it on the original page in the text and to get all the subsequent endnotes to reorder, but every time I do this it stubbornly goes right to the end of the endnotes, no 131, and also appears as 131 in the text. This is driving me mad, and I'm frightened of messing up all the endnotes in the book. If anyone can suggest how I resolve this I would be most grateful!

Tom.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Debbie5C13

Just in case - Endnotes can be set to appear - be automatically placed - either right after the end of the Story or at the end of the Document...

So what you've seen as "messed up" might have been OK? 

And, just in case, Footnotes and Endnotes are two different things.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

[...] Understanding how you got to the file you are looking at and how to make use of it seems like it would open a whole other universe of functionality. [...] 

By @Debbie5C13

😄 You've no idea what kind of functionality 😄 every day I'm discovering new ways how to use it and new possibilities 😄 and I've created this beast 😄 Of course, I'm also constantly adding new things - like this "visualisation". Took me maybe 10 minutes to add, then some testing - but will stay forever and can be used for other things.

[Debbie5C13]

It looks like from this spreadsheet a bunch of my links are messed up

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

It looks like from this spreadsheet a bunch of my links are messed up

By @Debbie5C13

Unfortunately.

Looks like you were using bookmarks - that were pointing to markers placed right before the texts you were hyperlinking from? 

[Debbie5C13]

Could you send me this report? I do know footnotes and endnotes are two different things. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Could you send me this report?  

By @Debbie5C13

Yes, of course, but I'll have to regenerate it - after I'll activate fonts used in your document. Right now everything is in pink. 

I'll get to my laptop in about half an hour. 

Sorry for the Footnotes / Endnotes comment. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Debbie5C13 

Almost done. It took me a little bit longer as I got a few new ideas hot to make it even better = for your convenience.

Will send you a link privately in a moment - please check your messages - top right corner of this website.

[Debbie5C13]

Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know why endnotes will not stay in order? I wonder what I can do about that if anything? I hope I don't have to create each one manually with text anchors like I am having to do with the footnotes.

Debbie
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[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know why endnotes will not stay in order? I wonder what I can do about that if anything? I hope I don't have to create each one manually with text anchors like I am having to do with the footnotes.

By @Debbie5C13

You're welcome 🙂

But you don't have any Endnotes there?

I'm not sure why do you have to create Hyperlink - even with Footnotes?

If I do this on the Foottnoe marker:

it goes straight to the Footnote's text?

[Debbie5C13]

The links are not going to the footnote when I make a .pdf out of it. 

I started adding the endnotes again, the document is going to be printed so we are trying to add the hyperlinks to the endnotes and not have 50 character hyperlinks gumming up the text. So everything went perfectly until I Hubs and spoke on about page 22 then it randomly added it to endnote 8. I can't find anything on how to fix it. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Debbie5C13 

SOLVED 😄

You need to add EACH Story to ARTICLES.

Right now, in your file - you've only this:

But after I've selected whole MAIN Story and Ctrl+clicked:

I have this:

And FOOTnotes and ENDnotes then work in the PDF.

Although, ENDnotes "return" to the wrong page? They all go to Page 20...

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

So many problems appear/multiply when you split documents up, using any method. Designers need to keep it first and foremost that if you don't have a single document of a single flow, you have to make sure faulty features are seeing the entire scope intended.

[Debbie5C13]

It's all in one continuous text frame that were created on the parent layer, I have added additional text frames to the columns in some instances, is that what is causing some of the issues you think?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

It's all in one continuous text frame that were created on the parent layer, I have added additional text frames to the columns in some instances, is that what is causing some of the issues you think?

By @Debbie5C13

To whom you're replying Debbie? 

[Debbie5C13]

James you were right......... oh my gosh THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lesson learned 

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

My comments were entirely secondary, just editorializing on the point about document scope. ID is both smart and dumb about multiple text flows — you can manage them seprarately, but you have to be explicit if you want things like search, TOC, indexiing etc. to include all the pieces-parts.

[Debbie5C13]

I really wish I knew what this means to the point of being able to implement it lol. It sounds like it might open an entire new set of options. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Debbie5C13 

Link sent.

The improvements: 

• before, there was only one layer - now, each type/kind of Hyperlink has it's own layer:

so you can change order and show/hide layer's you don't want to see / investigate.

• before, there was only one ObjectStyle - now, there is a separate one for each type/kind of Hyperlink - named exactly the same as Layers:

so you can change how those TextFrames will look like - and control their width as well.

If I were you - I would start from checking things that won't affect the flow - or from the end of the document - one layer at a time.

If you play with TextSource and TextDestination ObjectStyles - set Transparency to Difference - it might help you to spot "the bad ones".

Here is an examaple of only one layer visible - TextSources:

with three "bad" ones - they have a line across them - line displayed by InDesign between threaded TFs - and an "in port" on the left with a different color than the "out port" on the right:

If you'll work on the TextDestination layer - you'll have opposite situation - those small triangles will point the other way.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Debbie5C13

Have you tried IDMLing - maybe your file(s) got corrupted?

Export as IDML, open, save with a new name - do not overwrite your original file. 

[Debbie5C13]

I did try this but it did not seem to work. I have a mess in the file because of added callout boxes that shifted things all over the place. I've only reformatted through page 37 so far