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azurm22632908
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March 17, 2019
Question

Exporting PDF with black and white photos- WHY IS IT SO LARGE?

  • March 17, 2019
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I have had this issue for over a year now. I do a lot of "treatments" for photo clients. Basically indesign docs of full spread images with a little type here and there, exported as PDFs. When I make these it is always easy to export them and get the pdf file size somewhere around or under 12mb with some compression and color space adjustment.... UNLESS! Unless the imagery I'm using is black and white! Its not greyscale, its an RGB image but with black and white adjustment from lightroom and then exported as a tiff or jpg. If I were to make two identical indesign files and export two pdfs with the exact same settings, one with color RGB images and one with black and white RGB images one, the color would read 13mb and the black and white would read 85mb. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG HERE?? My only poor solution so far is  exporting a pdf and then running it thought acrobat to downsize it again, just to get the file slightly smaller but its still usually well over 12mb. PLEASE HELP

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Participant
December 31, 2021
The only solution I've found to work is to use colour images but overlay a white block and setting it to 'colour' as the transparency blend mode.
 
The result for me was to be able to create a digital brochure pdf that was 2mb instead of 23mb.
Legend
May 6, 2023

It would be interesting to see a pair of brochures, directly out of InDesign (not shrunk again), one colour and one greyscale, showing the big size difference. Since this doesn't happen to everyone there may be a specific cause that could be found with a detailed analysis.

Participant
May 6, 2023

I'm attaching the color original and a version of the black & white attempt without the fixes, so the file sizes are as I described in my comment above.

Willi Adelberger
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 17, 2019

I am confused of your description.

The correct way would be with complete B&W imagery: Save images as Greyscale and export them as CMYK with Convert to CMYK with keep numbers to avoid converting them to 4c images.

The file size is given by the size in pixels and the embedded output color profile.

You can also use a greyscale output profile in your case if the font has no other color neither. 12mb would not be so extraordinary large if it is a print file.

Participant
May 5, 2023

This is a helpful response. I found this community post when I encountered the same issue. I created a color poster and saved a 1.2mb PDF, then decided to do a black & white version. I changed all the text to Black and updated the image file, and the exported PDF was over 5mb. It had LESS color and was 3x heavier. I tried all sorts of alternatives with the image and nothing about the PDF size budged. Finally I created a grayscale, flattened JPG (not PSD) and linked that to the b&w poster file, followed the guidance here when exporting the PDF, and got a 2mb file. I'm still baffled how a file with less color information is heavier, but at least it's not as bad.

barbara_a7746676
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 17, 2019

What settings are you using when creating the PDF? Are you using PDF/x-4:2010?

azurm22632908
Participant
March 17, 2019

Yes I’ve tried that export setting. As well as “smallest possible file” and custom settings, where I downsize to 72dpi and set the quality to “low”. I’ve tried converting the color space, keeping the profile, discarding the profile, setting to to CMYK, sRGB. I swear I’ve tried everything.

barbara_a7746676
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 17, 2019

I tried exporting to PDF from InDesign with just one image, one color and one RGB black and white. The PDF with the black and white image was slightly larger, only half a percent larger, no where near the huge difference that you are seeing.

Does this happen with all files or just one?