extra space at top of text frame

[leigh-ann-e]

I have text frames with the exact same settings—(even double checked by copying the text frame onto the page with the error, and the same issue persists)—extra space is being added after the intentional top inset. If I remove the top inset in the text frame options, the text remains in the same place (the second image "Nighttime...). The "Nighttime..." line should be touching the inner blue line.

Strangely, one whole section of pages has this issue, another section of pages does not have the issue.

Whatever the fix is—I will need to apply to many text frames across many pages...

Thanks in advance for the help!

[leigh-ann-e]

Also—if I nudge the text frame itself up, the text jumps to the top of the frame—so can't even manually place to match.

[jmlevy]

On the bottom screenshot, the text is in italics. Would it be possible that you have aligned the text on the baseline grid for this paragraph style?

[rob day]

Hi @leigh-ann-e , Check your text frame’s First Baseline Offset and Min settings in Text Frame Options

[leigh-ann-e]

Hi jm and rob thank you—

It's not the italics, this is across multiple text frames in the section.

Both frames have matching Baseline options—

[leigh-ann-e]

The space is getting added on these pages with or without the top inset spacing adjustment—where the unwanted space is being added the inset spacing is having no effect. Like some attribute of the page, not the text frame ??

[rob day]

Can you share the doc ?

[rob day]

Show a capture with invisibles (hidden characters) turned on

[leigh-ann-e]

Ah ha! Can't believe I didn't think to do this.

"#" should indicate 'end of paragraph'—but it's happening at the top of every page in this section...? Surely came in with the text import. I can't select that as a line, how do I remove it?

 

[rob day]

Looks like you have 2 text frames—maybe your Parent Page has a Primary Text frame and you didn’t get your text to flow in the parent’s primary frame?

[leigh-ann-e]

No text frame in the parent page, definitely only one text frame (per page).

The issue is definitely the # character, which I still can't figure out how to remove.

 

[rob day]

If you select and delete one of the text frames containing the running text does the # symbol also get deleted?

[leigh-ann-e]

the # is at the top of every text frame, so deleting one frame has no effect on all the others

It has something to do with the imported text—If I paste a text frame that doesn't have the issue onto the page, then copy/paste my text into it, it has the #
But there can't be anything coming from the source document, like a line break etc., bc the # is falling at the top of every text frame, wherever it falls in the text—with no relation to the source document.

What settings to look for ?

[rob day]

Can you replicate the problem using placeholder text (Select All>Type>Fill with Placeholder Text) and share that file?

[leigh-ann-e]

file attached! 

[leigh-ann-e]

Today I tried resetting the paragraph styles entirely—this made the text sit at the top of the text frame, but the # is still there! When I then adjust the text frame options to add the top inset spacing to match the rest of my document, the text then jumps under the #, still interfering with the text landing in the same place.

Wow is this frustrating...thanks again for any help

 

[jmlevy]

As I suspected in my previous answer, the text of the incorrect section (starting page 25 of your sample file) is aligned on the baseline grid.

but the # is still there!

You have two text frames overlapping of each page, also starting page 25.

[rob day]

I agree with @jmlevy, your text is in a text frame that is on top of a Parent Page frame that has not been released. Here’s the running text frame moved showing the unreleased Parent Page test frame below:

If I Shift Command Click Parent Page item it appears in the Layer panel:

[leigh-ann-e]

Ah ha I checked parent page A but must have missed the frames in B.

Hashtags gone, but where should I adjust the baseline grid align ?

It is still not showing that in the Style settings for the section—I believe you that that is the issue, but still do not see 'Align to Baseline Grid' in the Paragraph Style settings, the extra space is still being added—if you could please direct me to the place to fix this 

thank you both

[rob day]

Your Paragraph Style is set to Align to Grid (Indents and Spacing), but there isn’t enough space to fit a line above your first line:

You would have to adjust the Text Frame’s top bounds, or turn off Align to Grid:

[Willi Adelberger]

Look into your baseline alignments settings of the paragraph style. 

[Eugene Tyson]

I've found that sometimes people put an invisible or white frame on the top of the frame and put a text wrap on them to push the text down.

It drives me mad when I find little frames around the page designed to manipulate the layout. 

Check the layers for locked items or hidden items.