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Adam Bresnahan
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April 12, 2023
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Glyph as bullet not functioning in paragraph styles

  • April 12, 2023
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Hello. I would like to use a glyph as a bullet (the opentype digit 3 of Adobe Caslon Pro - an acorn). In the paragraph style box for my "Bulleted list" style, I am trying to add the bullet. When I click "add" and then click "ok," a standard round black dot appears in my list of bullet characters to choose from. If I try to add my preferred glyph (or any of the other opentype glyphs from the font's set, for that matter), the program tells me: "The selected bullet already appears in the Bullets and Numbering dialog box with this font and style association. Specify a different font or style, or select a different bullet." In short, adding a glyph as bullet is not functioning. Could anybody suggest a solution to this problem? Thank you. 

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Willi Adelberger
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Willi AdelbergerCommunity Expert
Community Expert
April 13, 2023
  1. Did you create a Character Style first of the font which contains this bullet? You have to do so.
  2. In the paragraph style select first the created Character Style, the select the bullet of that font.
  3. Use it.
    Brad @ Roaring Mouse
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    Brad @ Roaring MouseCommunity Expert
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    April 12, 2023

    I'm on Mac 18.2 and am experiencing the same issue. However, it does seem to be a flaw in the font.

    I inspected the different weights, and for some reason the Regular does not an assigned Character Code/Unicode value for that Glyph, where the others do.

    So, the solution (if you can call it that) is temporarily change your text font to a different weight other than Regular (I used Bold); THEN select and add the acorn (which now shows)

     

    , then change your font back to Regular.

     

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    April 13, 2023

    Mine has it:

     

    Sooo... ? 😛

     

    ETA: Font data:

     

    Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
    Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
    Legend
    April 13, 2023

    Thanks everyone for your helpful responses. @Brad @ Roaring Mouse Yes, the difference you note is strange. I downloaded your InDesign file. The bullets that I assume you had set to be the acorns in the document text appear as the digit "9." I opened the dialog box for the paragraph style you created and it does not contain the acorn in the list on my end, unfortunately. I tried adding the acorn to the list within that file, but I suppose in that instance I'm just using the same Adobe Caslon Pro source that I had before and thus did not get different results. I also tried setting the paragraph style to use different weights and then adding the glyph. Unfortunately, that did not work, either (I also tried it on the Macbook). @Willi Adelberger I tried creating a character style with Adobe Caslon Pro, then setting the bullets in my paragraph style to use this character style. This did not change the results, unfortunately.

    Well, I wonder if I can send a link to this thread with all of these attempts to resolve this issue to Adobe Fonts? Do you think that they could alter the way the ornaments in this typeface is encoded, especially given the discrepancy noted in @Brad @ Roaring Mouse's screenshot? 


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    Well, I wonder if I can send a link to this thread with all of these attempts to resolve this issue to Adobe Fonts? Do you think that they could alter the way the ornaments in this typeface is encoded, especially given the discrepancy noted in @Brad @ Roaring Mouse's screenshot? 

    By @Adam Bresnahan

     

    Since this is an Adobe font (I mean, it was developed by Adobe, not just sold/distributed by Adobe), yes I'd attempt to reach them. Three places to report the problem:

    • Adobe's official bug reporting system at https://indesign.uservoice.com/  File a new bug report and refer them to this thread in the community forum. Also, post the uservoice URL here so we can chime in and vote up your report.
    • Directly to Adobe Fonts, but I'm not sure anyone there would understand the technical problem. But it can help.
    • One of us here who is on Adobe's beta program can post the bug there, too. Personally, I don't know anyone anymore in the fonts department at Adobe...is there still a fonts department? <grin>

     

     

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    James Gifford—NitroPress
    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    April 12, 2023

    Not having any problem here —

     

    It might help to know what platform, OS and ID version you're using.

     

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    Adam BresnahanAuthor
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    April 12, 2023

    Thank you. I am using InDesign version 18.2.1 (x64). I am on a PC using Windows 10. 

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    April 12, 2023

    No clues there.

     

    Create a new style, using [No Paragraph Style] as the origin, and see if ID allows you to add the bullet glyph to that. Sometimes individual styles have conflicting settings or even corruption that can cause glitches like this.

     

    But no, there's no fundamental reason you shouldn't be able to do this, so it's a matter of working through the options. Such as — can you successfully use that weight of Caslon Pro for some regular text? Does a different weight selected in the Bullets panel have a different result?

     

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