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June 27, 2023
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How to optimize grayscale author photo ingramspark

  • June 27, 2023
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We are printing a black-and-white book on IngramSpark. The book is all text except for an author photo on the about the author page. The photo was taken with an iPhone, so is high resolution and RGB to begin with. 

To prepare the photo, I used Photoshop. I cropped and converted the photo from RGB to grayscale. My understanding is that Photoshop deletes any color management profiles when it changes a photo to grayscale.

At the 2 inch wide size of the photo, the resolution was 1171 PPI. IngramSpark requires 300 ppi. I I left that high resolution and let InDesign lower it to 300 ppi using the PDF/X – 2002 adobe preset export filter.
->Should I have used  Photoshop's automatic resample feature to bring the PPI down to 300 before placing the photo in InDesign?

I imported the photo to InDesign at same size (2 inches wide). I exported the book using PDF/X2002. Results  in the printed proof from IngramSpark are pitiful. No help from customer service although they did apparently try to help.

->How can I best turn a good RGB smart phone photograph to a good grayscale image when printing a book with IngramSpark? What part should I do in Photoshop and what part should I do inInDesign and how should I export to PDF from InDesign?

Any help will be much appreciated. 

 

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    rob day
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    rob dayCommunity Expert
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    June 27, 2023

    I cropped and converted the photo from RGB to grayscale. My understanding is that Photoshop deletes any color management profiles when it changes a photo to grayscale.

     

    Also, Photoshop does color manage the conversion from RGB to Grayscale, so the Gray profile you choose for the Destination would matter because the destination profile affects the grayscale output numbers.

     

     

     

     

     

    Results in the printed proof from IngramSpark are pitiful

     

    In what way? E.g., Is the output too dark?

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    diatodayAuthor
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    June 27, 2023

    Hi, Rob,

    I should add that, since this is a text-only book with only one author photo, we are printing at IngramSpark on 50# white or 70# white, not on a matte sheet. I'm confused about why I would choose a dot-gain setting for a digital press like IngramSpark.

    The photo Ingram printed is very dotty. Here is a photo of the result.

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    Eugene TysonCommunity Expert
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    June 28, 2023

    Sure, Rob. I'd love to.

    Here is the photo we used for page 29, and the original. I couldn't add the PDF we sent IngramSpark but it is here.

    I used the "2002" export filter to create the PDF from InDesign.

     


    Just to weigh in on all the excellent advice so far.

     

    This looks like Print Mottling which gives uneven, blotchy-looking prints. If this is a digital print run it could be due to paper not being completely dry,  or  bad quality, calibration issues or low amount of toner etc. 

    And if it's printed on demand (POD) it's likely the speed of the machine is set to the highest for faster output and this could be a contributing factor.

     

    For litho printing (traditional offset printing) there are things like the above that can contribute to mottling - like Back Trap - wet repellence, hydrophobic, and hydrophilic. 

    And POD and speed of the machine could be an issue - along with paper quality - POD is usually Gang Printing (printing a lot of stuff together and typically as fast as possible). 

     

    Either - way  - I don't think it's anything you did wrong. 

     

     

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    There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with what you did or how you treated the image. 

    It does seem like an Ingram Spark issue. 

     

    You could always test this by asking a local print shop to print this one page. 

     

    You are absolutely right to place the image as it was at 1200 ppi and reduce to the required output resolution on export to PDF. It does the exact same thing as Photoshop - and there is no gain (other than ending up with 2 files) by converting it in photoshop. 

     

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    You could always ask a local print store could they print that one page as a sample test page for you.

     

     

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    James Gifford—NitroPress
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    June 27, 2023

    Rob Day has a comprehensive answer he posts at intervals; you might sift through some similar questions to find it. Look for the classic car photos. 🙂

     

    The short answer, though, is to resize the placed image to no more than about 600 ppi effective, to take some load off of ID and the export process. Extremely overscale images bring nothing to the results except resource hogging and slow processes.

     

    Especially for sparse photos like an author shot, I have had good luck using sGray, with KDP, Lulu and KDP.

     

    Those two steps should take you to a better result. Rob's approach is much more layered; you might want to review it as well. 

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    diatodayAuthor
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    June 27, 2023

    Thank you, James. I have read Rob Day’s post but didn’t understand how best to apply his advice to this situation. 

    Best,
    Diana
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