In-line anchored object (equation) management.

Thanks Uwe for these new messages. 

I am going to send you a PM with details on this in order not to clutter the forum. 

Feel free to answer if and when you have time in the next days. 

I am following the Classroom in a Book guide (+handbook entries when needed +videos) but after the first 6 lessons I didn't find help for this. Possibly it will be in the next lessons, but I am working on this book now and I need to proceed. 

Where can I find a course that fits my needs? 

I will ask one last time as after all these attempts, I really think I did my best to follow the instructions given and I really do not understand why things are not working: could you please answer my last questions and tell me why this is not working? Come on... pasting from your document doesn't produce the same results ... 

If you do not feel like writing, which I will understand, could you please make a screen-recording of the steps you followed to create this? For sure it will be fast for you and it will be over soon. 

I am the one to be sorry, because I know I am taking someone else's time, but I have to say this: I do not like being abandoned to myself so near to the solution and after all these attempts. I really do not like it and it does not feel good. 

Tried a few more things and trying now to narrow to more precise questions:

1. When I activate insertion point into anchored text frame, then Cmd-D to Place, the inserted equation just disappears. Why? I know it is there so I went to Links > selected it > Ctrl-click to contextual menu > Anchored Object > Options > Custom and got to something similar to yours. Any more straightforward way? Inserting it outside and then drag-n-dropping as in the article didnt move it by a single hair... Shift-dragging did, though, so I went that route. 
2. The yellow text frame, which we could call the Parent TF maybe. How do I make it of the same height as yours automatically? When I create an anchored TF at insertion point it is 1x1in by default. 
3. How do I make it vertically aligned as yours? It looks floating a tiny bit above baseline. 

Getting nearer, I hope.

And yes, first time ... thanks.

I am sorry if I annoyed you to the point that I cannot get a step-by-step instruction to what is holding me. 

I understand if you do not feel like helping any further, you have already done a lot and I deeply thank you for this. 

As things stand now, I cannot reproduce what you did.

Inserting the first anchored text frame is done, even if its size seems to need manual adjustment every time until someone tells me how not to, but then, anchoring the equation frame inside the first one it just doesnt give the desired results. I activate text insertion with the Text tool (as the first frame is a "text" one), then Object > Anchored Object > Insert and select the file. 

Result? It just disappears inside the frame, not reacting as yours does. 

Have I made a mistake here? I don't know ... I cannot know ... 

I will appreciate it if you will want to show me these last steps, but I will understand it if you will not want to. 

Should this be the case I hope someone will come to the rescue sooner or later. Until then, I will need to find a different path as this one is not allowing me in. 

Thank you.

PS: I had already read the Anchored objects guide, there's nothing there about anchoring within an anchored object and from what I tried it is clear it does not work in the same way as an ordinary anchored object. I always look in the guide before asking.

Thank you, I have not yet created object styles, but I will once I am sure I have understood what I am doing.

I just tried to reproduce these steps but, I seem unable to.

I can't find many of the things you show, for example the "details of the applied object style". I created a new Object Style but I see too many options compared to your screenshot.

I opened your document but when I get into the Object Style Options dialog, nothing looks like your screenshot. Where should I go there?  

--- insert few minutes of browsing the options here...

Finally, feeling even more lost, I surrendered to copy-pasting your frames into my document which, luckily, also imported the styles. I understood some of those options but far from all of them. 

Now, how do I insert the anchored equation frame inside the anchored text frame? What I've tried so far just places the SVG image inside the frame and from there I am stuck once more. 

In general, the process of inserting anchored objects is quite obscure to me right now, as you will have noticed...

Assuming I have to reproduce this alone, how do I insert the first text frame so that it is positioned properly? 

Thanks Uwe, both very interesting solutions! 

I thought I could not add a baseline grid only to a single text frame. 

That solution, though, looks worse to me than the second, unless I can put a finer, smaller baseline grid (a whole 9pt empty line is too much to my eyes). How does the text automagically jumps to the second line? Thanks to Auto-Leading? If so, brilliant! 

The second solution, though harder to achieve, looks much neater and will most probably be my choice. Again, I didnt know one could anchor an object inside an anchored object! Down the rabbit-hole we go! 

I apologise for the beginner questions but this is my first big project in InDesign, I am a music engraver getting his feet wet with serious layout! 

Will report back as soon as I have managed to try all this (later today). 

Hi Uwe,

Ah, 'aesthetics', beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Could be acheived by tweeking the contianer anchore, not very elegent though.

P.

Thank you very much for your help. 

I will keep working on this chapter until the whole amount of text is inserted, then I will add the images and see where these lines end up to. 

What doesnt convince me by now, as you have just seen and said, is how these anchored objects influence the text around them. Most ways of how they react seems not totally logical. 

I will keep testing on my side and report back if I discover something before you do.

Kind regards

I.