InDesign 18 AND MacOS Ventura: missing panels

[100pk]

After a restart the default state of all CC apps seem to be that my panels are missing.

After ‘reset workspace’ they are live again.

Anyone else having this issue?

[Steve Straus]

Yep, me too. I still need to work some projects in ID2020 and it's not happy with the Ventura update. The only fix is to Reset Workspace upon launching. With this version of ID now 3 years old, they have broken it and probably aren't going to fix it. 

[Steve Werner]

I have InDesign CC 2023 (v. 18) and Illustrator CC 2023 (v. 27) installed on a MacBook Pro 2021 (Apple M1 Pro chip) running Ventura.

I have no problems such as you describe with either application. After a restart each application and its files opens up exactly as they were closed.

Did this start with the new CC app installatons? Have you tried restoring preferences and caches in InDesign?

Here's how do to that in InDesign:

Adobe InDesign: Rebuilding Preferences and Cache Fileshttps://www.rockymountaintraining.com › adobe-...

[100pk]

Hi Steve,

As far as I can recall this is introduced after the update to Ventura: I updated my CC apps to the 2022 version before I took the jump into MacOS Ventura.

I do not use the application-frame option which I don't like, maybe you do?

Enclosed a screendump: left after a start of my M1 MacBookPro MacOS Ventura 13.0: all panels are missing.

Right: after a ‘Reset Workspace’ all is as expected.

This applies to InDesign 18.0, Illustrator 27.0 AND Photoshop 24.0.0 so I don't see how resetting prefs could help.

Other CC apps work in an 'application-frame' automatically so it does not apply to those: After Effects, Lightroom, Acrobat.

[Steve Werner]

Yes, I always have application frame on and teach that to my students. It works much better for me and my students so never test without on. You might test turning it on.

[Steve Werner]

Your best chance of getting the bug fixed is to test with and without Application Frame. If that seems to be the issue, place a report in InDesign User Voice in the Bugs section:

https://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601180-adobe-indesign-bugs

Much more likely to work that listing it here where the bug will be missed!

[100pk]

Have not tested it yet, busy. But I think we both know the answer to that: the application frame will work without issues.

[100pk]

Just checked, when application frame is selected no problems.

I discovered something though: it seems something goes wrong with a custom workspace: when I select the standard  ‘Advanced’ workspace the problem is not there.

[Steve Straus]

So far, this bug seems to only be part of ID2020 as my ID2023 is working fine. Since not all my clients/projects have migrated to the newest version of ID, this causes problems for older docs. 

[philwareham]

I'm having the same bug with latest CC 2023 version apps in Ventura. Resetting the workspace in each app (Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator all having the issue for me) at startup fixes the issue until next restart. I don’t use the application frame.

[philwareham]

Also, I use a custom workspace (which I've saved as a preset), not any of the defaults, since I have a specific panel layout I like.

[Jeremy AB]

I have 2022 at home and Ventura and I see the problem so far in Illustrator and InDesign.

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Hi All,

We are sorry for the frustration. We are checking with the team to see if this is a known issue. We will get back to you as soon as we hear any updates from them.

We will try our best to investigate the issue.

Thanks,

Harshika

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Hi All,

Thank you for being patient. Please confirm if you're using an external monitor. If yes, please try removing the external monitor and share the results.

Workaround:

Some users are finding relief by disabling the application frame and resetting the workspace as a solution.

We're still looking into the problem, which appears to be occurring on macOS Ventura.

We will keep you posted.

Thanks,

Harshika

[Steve Straus]

Yes, I am using an external monitor (since it is a mac-mini, I cannot remove the monitor). I prefer to not use the Application Frame as this is not how I like my ID to function. Resetting the Workspace upon starting seems to be the only usable workaround. 

[philwareham]

Yes I have a second montor connected (main screen being the iMac itself), however the panels are all on the main monitor. Resetting the workspace does fix the issue until netx startup.

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Thanks, @Steve Straus & @philwareham, for confirmation. Would you mind generating logs and uploading them to a shared location such as CC or Dropbox and sharing the URL with me over a private message?

Please share the make and model of the external monitor connected and the screenshot of the "About Mac" page with us so that I can go ahead and log a bug for the issue.

Please also share the screenshot of the missing panel on your machine.

We'll try our best to investigate and escalate the issue.

Thanks,

Harshika

[philwareham]

OK, leave it with me, I'll collect the log and the rest of the info you want by tomorrow morning (UK time).

Cheers, Phil

[100pk]

To add: I am using an M1 Macbook Pro with 2 external monitors.

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Hi All,

Thank you for being patient. I have logged a bug for the issue, and thank you, @philwareham, for sharing the logs. The team is investigating the issue. Could you please post the bug on the InDesign Uservoice page and share the link with us for tracking purposes?

Thanks,

Harshika

[HARSHIKA_VERMA]

Hi All,

Hope you're doing well!

We would like to follow up. Are you still experiencing the issue? If yes, we would need your help to investigate the issue. 

We will try our best to help.

Thanks,

Harshika

[Steve Straus]

After my upgrade to Ventura, none of my copies of ID work correctly. I have uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted prefs and caches, and still whenever I launch any version, the Workspace still needs to be reset. It opens up to a blank screen. I have no desire to use the Applicaation Frame as this is a horrible user experience if you aren't used to it. How do I reset ALL of my ID programs so they open correctly with the last used Workspace active with the panels open?

[philwareham]

Yep, still an issue for me too. Latest CC apps and Ventura 13.2. I have to reset to the saved workspace everytime I boot Adobe apps (happens in Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign - probably other apps but I don't use any others that regularly). Seems to be that having multiple monitors causes the bug. And yes I hate the application frame so I won't be used that as a solution.

[Steve Straus]

Ha! I totally forgot that none of my other CC apps are working too. IL and PS seem to have no clue what Workspace I want either. I have grown so accustomed to this glitch that it has become second nature to launch a program and then reset the Workspace. I have worked with 2 monitors for way too long to give up and go down to one. Maybe our pals at Adobe can figure this one out.

[marke78318741]

Hi, 

I'm having the exact same issue here. Since i updated to ventura, when i open a indesign or illustrator file only the project window is shown and none of the workspace shows up even after pressing the Tab key so I always have to go Window>Workspace>Reset workspace. It is a custom workspace and i'm NOT using a second monitor. This never happened before updating to ventura.

Would love to be updated on this issue when resolved 🙂