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May 18, 2010
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InDesign Backwards Compatibility in CS5 an MAJOR issue

  • May 18, 2010
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I am a print designer who works in InDesign. I bought CS3 Design Premium in late summer of 2008. Shortly thereafter CS4 came out, but after just having forked out a big chunk of change, I decided against upgrading to CS4 right away. Recently I considered upgrading but then heard CS5 was coming out so I decided to postpone the upgrade and wait for the new software. I've just checked out the trial version of CS5 InDesign and after speaking with Adobe Support have come to the conclusion that I can't upgrade to CS5. Why? BACKWARDS compatibility to CS3. The previously offered export features that supplied a path for backwards compatibility via an .inx file are gone.

I design freelance for a lot of different customers and once the design is complete, I have to deliver the InDesign file along with all associated fonts ad images to my clients. Most of my clients are still on CS3. If I upgrade to CS5 I will instantly not be able to work for 2/3 of my clients, as I will have no means by which to save a file backwards to CS3. I was informed by Adobe support that I would need to buy CS4 and CS5, as I could save my CS5 file in the IDML format and open it in CS4 and then I could save the file from CS4 as an INX file and open that is CS3. ARE THEY INSANE??? First off that requires keeping 3 version of InDesign up and running on my machine all of the time and secondly, why should I have to buy CS4 when I'm paying an additional fee to upgrade to CS5 because I didn't upgrade from CS4? This is so screwed up that it has to be an oversight---please tell me there is a patch in the works!!!

PS- I've never posted to a forum before, so if I have broken any rules of forum etiquette or offended in any way, I offer my apologies now and if I (and the Adobe Support staff I spoke to) have overlooked something, please enlighten me!

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    Correct answer BobLevine

    I know it will get better as things progress--It's just been difficult getting started and I unfortunately timed my initial software purchase badly. Maybe I can fix it this time if I can get both CS4 & CS5. But is the commercial, rather than retail, product even available on Amazon?


    Just semantics, Cynthia.

    Retail, commercial. Same thing.

    Upgrades are exactly the same as their full commercial/retail counterparts except for the price.

    Adobe also has student and academic pricing.

    The link I supplied you with is for the Mac CS3 to CS4 Design Premium upgrade and assumes that you have one of the CS3 suites.

    Bob

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    Peter Spier
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 18, 2010

    There si no reason you can't continue to use your CS3 installation and also install CS5. Choose the version to suit the client.

    Back-saving is at best a crapshoot as far as text reflowing, and you risk a lot of file damage if you inadvertently use a new feature. It just isn't a good workflow.

    BobLevine
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 18, 2010

    InDesign has NEVER allowed more than one version backsave via INX. Beginning with CS5 you can save back to CS4 using IDML but this is horrible workflow anyway.

    Saving back means lost or badly mangled features and reflowing text and going back two versions makes even worse. If you absolutely have to work with people in CS3 then you'll need to work with that version whether or not you decide to upgrade.

    I currently have CS3, CS4 and CS5 installed just in case. And I'll repeat what I've said over and over again. I support Adobe 100% in the way this is handled. Major new feature make it nearly impossible to keep compatibility from one version to another.

    Finally, if you buy CS4 now (Amazon still has some stock) you may be eligible for a free upgrade to CS5. But using that when you know the end result must be a CS3 file is not a very efficient way to work.

    Bob

    Participating Frequently
    May 18, 2010

    I am all for working with better workflow practices and I understand that saving files backwards is less than ideal but Adobe needs to look at the real world uses of their software as well. I have to work with firms that aren't upgrading now--especially with the economy we are now in--and most of the items I design for them are ads-- one page- nothing too complex--really nothing fancy. I obviously wouldn't save a book or a very complex document backwards in this way, but simple things have translated just fine in the past. In the real world we hit situations like this.

    I bought my software 21 months ago and in this time Adobe has expected me to upgrade twice--I haven't even finished expensing  the initial cost of the software on my books yet. Upgrading that often just can't happen in a small firm--it's prohibitively expensive for a one man shop.
    So now from what I understand, to do this properly, I am supposed to buy the upgrade and keep both versions running on my machine and track with every client which version of the software I need to be working in. What happens when I have to add an employee? I will have to buy the CS3 version of the software in addition to the CS5 Suite because otherwise we can't work on the same files. I'm finding this frustrating.
    Your suggestion of buying CS4 from Amazon is a good one. I will look into that further.

    Mr. Met
    Inspiring
    February 22, 2011

    This has been a most interesting and heated discussion and it is certainly not the first time that the issue of backsaving InDesign documents has come up. It has been an issue from the earliest InDesign versions to the present. Although I am not directly part of the InDesign organization, but I am both a computer scientist and an Adobe employee, I'd like to give some perspective to this issue:

    As some contributors to this thread has indicated, there are major technical difficulties in terms of backsaving when using features that don't exist in the previous version. Examples:

    • Use of the multiple page size feature of InDesign 7. What exactly should be done when backsaving to any previous version of InDesign, none of which support multiple page sizes? Convert the document into a book with multiple InDesign documents? And what if it is already part of a book? And what happens to existing internal relationships? And if you then re-open the document in InDesign 7, don't expect a single document with multiple page sizes.

    • Use of the column-spanning paragraph attribute of InDesign 7. How do you deconstruct a layout that uses this feature? Yes, it can be done but you might not like the results in terms of a hodge-podge of text frames that don't lend themselves to nice, clean text reflow. And again, such deconstructed content won't automatically go back to column-spanning paragraphs if opened in InDesign 7.

    • And if you think this is difficult, supporting multiple versions of backsaving is even more difficult because you may very well end up having to do multiple levels of content/formatting deconstruction to match the capabilities of a much earlier release.

    In fact, this is not really a matter of whether backsaving could be implemented technically – some form of backsaving could conceivably be done going all the way back to InDesign 1.0, but rather issues of (1) what compromises would need to be made in the resultant backsaved documents (per examples above) and to what degree users would find such necessary compromises acceptable in real world use – you would not be able to losslessly “round trip” an InDesign document to an earlier version and back, (2) the cost in terms of development time and engineering resource to spec out how backsaving would work, implementation of such a specification, and extensively testing such an implementation with a wide range of graphically complex documents, and (3) the tradeoffs of (1) and (2) versus new features requested by our user base. In other words, backsaving is “doable” but it is exceptionally expensive and time-consuming to implement and even then would yield marginal benefits.

    Prior to the implementation phase of each release of InDesign, members of the InDesign organization do consult with major users of the product querying as to their requirements in terms of features as well as a ranking of Adobe-proposed new features. For better or for worse, the major users of InDesign have never made a backsaving feature a real priority for Adobe. If this was an identified big issue for these customers and they were willing to accept the lack of lossless round-tripping, you would have seen support for backsaving (beyond one version and natively, not .inx) implemented.

    Contrary to what some of you may think, there is no “conspiracy” here to force upgrades by not providing full backsave functionality, but rather, a honest effort to try to meet the customer-identified most important and reliably-implementable features.

              - Dov


    Dov:

    Thanks for the reply.

    This has been a most interesting and heated discussion and it is certainly not the first time that the issue of backsaving InDesign documents has come up

    Wouldn't that statement alone indicate that the need and desire is there to see the feature? While I understand about the new features, it is frustrating not to be able to open a file that is straight text like a lot of business cards, letterheads and invites are in an older version of ID. I can understand you can't go back to CS1 but one version back shouldn't be a big deal. I understand the compromises involved but if nothing else, this thread seems to indicate a demand for a simple backsave at least one generation. Just that one feature alone would help people who can only justify upgrading every other generation. My other caveat is that a lot of experts like Bob Levine and Sandee Cohen make their living touting and teaching others how to implement all these new features in ID. They have a vested, if benign, interest in promoting the new over the old. And before Bob or Sandee take offense that I'm implying an evil ulterior motive, I have purchased several of Sandee's book and am currently awaiting her new one on creating interactive content with indesign (just got an email yesterday that it should ship soon). I also have Scott Citron's book and Michael Murphy's. Heard them all speak at NYC user group several times though not in the last year.I try to stay on top of ID as best I can. Doesn't mean I can upgrade every cycle though.

    I'll be very curious after this extremely long and heated thread to see if CS6 will allow save back one generation. Clearly there are a fair number of people who wouldn't mind seeing the feature. I could work around it but would love to be able to save back one generation.

    Community Expert
    May 18, 2010

    You've echoed the sentiments of many. It's really bad support from Adobe regarding backward compatibility in InDesign.

    But even if you did have CS4 and wanted to go back to CS2, you'd have to open your INX file in InDesign CS3 and export again to INX (there was a double downsave trick of editing the INX file)

    But regardless, Adobe has only ever allowed one version back compatibility for InDesign.

    Frustrating.