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InDesign index in other languages?

Community Beginner ,
Apr 02, 2024 Apr 02, 2024

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I am writing a book in Gujarati and must set up an index. The index I got is in the English alphabet. I need to convert the alphabet into Gujarati alphabets. Can someone help?

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Community Expert , Apr 02, 2024 Apr 02, 2024

Hi @Pushtidas:

 

An index in InDesign is a alphabetical list of references. Add the index references in Gujarati into your documents and then generate the index. 

 

~Barb

 

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Community Expert , Apr 03, 2024 Apr 03, 2024

Hi @Pushtidas:

 

Well, I wondered about that yesterday when I was answering the question, but didn't bring it up because it wasn't what you were asking. I'm not sure I know the answer because I work primarly in English and Spanish (and of course, both use the same alphabet). 

 

There are a few folks who help out here who are more knowledgeable about working with other alphabets and with indexing who may have a clear answer. Let me see if I can reach out to get this part answered for you.

 

~Barb

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Community Expert , Apr 03, 2024 Apr 03, 2024

I suspect it's because it's a feature request that simply isn't getting enough attention. The current development team is using indesign.uservoice.com to rank interest in bugs and potential new features by vote count. If someone were to post a "Please add Gujarati to index sorting options" I'd vote on it, of course, but due to the nature of the voting system, there are lots of requests for improvements in multilingual index sorting, or just Better Sorting For More Languages (for example). 

 

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Hi @Pushtidas:

 

An index in InDesign is a alphabetical list of references. Add the index references in Gujarati into your documents and then generate the index. 

 

~Barb

 

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Thank you Barb. I have set the Index in Gujarati but the alphabet that I get is in English. Can this alphabet converted into Gujarati Alphabet ? 

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Hi @Pushtidas:

 

Well, I wondered about that yesterday when I was answering the question, but didn't bring it up because it wasn't what you were asking. I'm not sure I know the answer because I work primarly in English and Spanish (and of course, both use the same alphabet). 

 

There are a few folks who help out here who are more knowledgeable about working with other alphabets and with indexing who may have a clear answer. Let me see if I can reach out to get this part answered for you.

 

~Barb

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Thanks anyway. In Index Sort option there are few langages allowed to sort according to that language, but Gujarati or Hindi option is not available. I am not sure why. I will suggest to Adobe to set Gujarati alphabet. I wonder why Gujarati or Hindi options are not included. 

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I suspect it's because it's a feature request that simply isn't getting enough attention. The current development team is using indesign.uservoice.com to rank interest in bugs and potential new features by vote count. If someone were to post a "Please add Gujarati to index sorting options" I'd vote on it, of course, but due to the nature of the voting system, there are lots of requests for improvements in multilingual index sorting, or just Better Sorting For More Languages (for example). 

 

While you patiently wait for your request for Gujarati index sorting to slowly acquire enough votes to get your request in front of the development team (can you tell that I don't like this method of handling bug reports and feature requests?), you do have some other options. I'd suggest a third-party indexing plugin or script, like IndexMatic3 from IndiScripts.  It certainly seems like it supports Gujarati:

langs.png

It's not a particularly inexpensive solution, but in the end it might be less time-consuming and therefore less expensive than e.g. making tiny little  almost-zero-width invisible Latin-script characters and hiding them throughout your document and in your index, in order to force correct sorting. (Don't do that. I've done it before, and I'd rather eat glass than do it again.)

 

 

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Apr 03, 2024 Apr 03, 2024

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I I have similar apps from ScribeDoor  and tried Gujarati option but it does not change the alphabets to gujarati. Screenshot (1).png

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Apr 03, 2024 Apr 03, 2024

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I haven't used a Winsoft product in many years. I don't know exactly how ScribeDOOR works but if it doesn't add Gujarati sorting to the Sort Options in the flyout menu of the Index panel, then it's not going to do what you need it to do.  You could communicate directly with Winsoft on this matter, but honestly I didn't find them to be particularly responsive to my support requests, even back when I'd given them something like $700 for InDesign CS4 ME.  

 

IndexMatic is a very powerful indexing tool; it's not just a way to add additional languages for sorting. Also, with specific regard to technical support, its author posts here regularly, and is incredibly helpful & responsive. 

 

There are other indexing tools out there for InDesign (because its built-in indexing tools are, frankly, somewhat limited in scope) that you might want to look into. 

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Apr 04, 2024 Apr 04, 2024

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As Joel mentioned, the only way to get additional languages into the Index panel's Sort Options window is to submit a feature request in User Voice. But that's completely pointless: InDesign's index feature hasn't been touched since its introduction many years ago (apart from a cosmetic change about ten years ago), and it doesn't look likely Adobe will spend any time or money on InDesign's index -- they're too obsessed with AI. And they don't realise that producing an index is a nice candidate for AI, but they think that the users want daft pictures.

 

Anyway, there is a solution. Generate the index without section headings, then run this Grep query:

Find what: (\u).+\r(\1.+\r)+\K(?=(.))
Change to: $3\r

This query looks for blocks of lines that start with the same letter, then inserts the first letter following the block after the block.

It works fine for Latin and Cyrillic scripts, it may need a tweak for Gujarati -- we'll see.

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